Joe Louis in today's heavyweight picture

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Jack Sharkey is 6'0 and primo 6'51/2...

 

That was my point in my very first post. None of those big guys were anything close to Klitschko in terms of talent, athleticism, boxing skills, and his combination of speed and power. Great jab, great right hand, great left hook... a man of his size with those attributes was unheard of in that era.

 

No at all...his big only his size, without good skills.

Sharkey was 6'0, schmeling 6'1 and primo 6'51/2..normal? (not in weight), or smaller wlads opponents....

 

Was Ray Austin the only person that Wlad beat? Why do you guys resort to doing things like this? Do I need to start naming the bums that Louis beat? What does that prove? Nobody is using Wlad's win over Ray Austin a reason why he would beat Joe Louis. While you guys keep mentioning the big guys that Louis beat, as a way to describe how he fairs against bigger guys. Which is why in turn you get a response explaining that those big guys weren't anything like Klitschko, so they may as well been 5 feet tall.

 

Size could be an advantage as well as a disadvantage, Fightingweight was right when he said Wlad nuthuggers use height to prove there point when they have nothing else. Thats try factoring in other things like, toughness, heart, ring generalship, and stamina, things that cant be measured. Wlad lacks toughness, something many older fighters had, they also rarely ran out of gas by the 5th round either, Wlad is the most overrated fighter I have ever seen on this forum, Louis is 10 times the Heavyweight Wlad is or will ever become, I bet everything I got Wlad never cracks the top 15 ATG list, he has been proven to be weak when the going gets tough, greats find away to overcome hard challenges.

 

Firstly, ibragimov was top class amateur see video youtube, against Savon...

Sultan is known to kill much bigger opponents than he is and also, he is not that small 6'2 if you compare him against old timer..his bigger one..

Was Klitchko's win impressive...no it wasnt, but maybe "we" wait him to much. His only human..

 

Now you are just showing pure bias towards Klitschko and his opponents. This is going nowhere. I can't discuss matters with you guys anymore, as you guys have too much of pure dislike for Klitschko and today's heavyweights in general to actually put forth a worthwhile debate. When you guys get back to reality, and stop pretending like Wlad's only performance of his career was his last fight, and his career opponents should be based on that or his fight with Ray Austin, let me know. Everytime I think that maybe there is some hope for one of you guys, and maybe I can get a worthwhile discussion going... you disappoint me again.

What's next? What if Ibragimov was juiced up on HGH, and fought in the 30's vs a Wladimir who at that time would be 5' 7" 179 pounds? That's about as much sense as you guys are making at this point.

 

So now Corrie Sanders has something to do with Joe Louis? I mean... yeah they are just so similar.atsch Keep on... let's see what other completely irrelevant fight or opponent that you come up with next.

 

You dont make it any easier Widdow, I admit my dislike for Wlad and at times it does hinder a unbias debate, but you must admit your just as bad with your nuthugging. I got nothing against you Widdow, I even said your one of the more knowledgable Wlad fans, you just go overboard sometimes, as do I, and that's when we clash. That's try and put all the dumb insults behind us and try to have good arguements/discussions in the future, because that's face it, we both have different opinions on Wlad, but in the end we both have one big thing in common, we love boxing.

 

I can't wait for the 'WALD has improved since then' or 'Sanders refused a rematch' post that's inevitably coming

Ibragimov was one of the worst HW champions I've ever seen, incidentally - and these clowns big it up like WALD obliterated someone worthwhile. Note the use of the word 'undefeated' as though it means something in Sultans case. Undefeated because he scraped a draw against Ray Austin, who is universally recognised as being ****.

No nut-hugging going on though....not at all.....

 

Can we do a count of the amount of times he's said 'this is going nowhere' or 'I'm wasting my time with you guys' in this thread? It's got to be in double figures now.