Joe Louis legacy vs Klitschko legacy

Good Post.

You sound more like a Klitschko fan than a boxing fan and because of that you actually believe what you're saying is true. I have news for you; it's not.

That isn't the case at all. Joe Louis is one the greatest heavyweights of all time because he ruled over a division ALONE for almost a decade and he faced some pretty good fighters in the process.

Here's the reality: The K brothers are not bums. But to compare their legacies to Joe Louis is asinine.

In 2004 Vitaly Klitschko was WBC Champion and after beating Danny Williams (a fighter who Mike Tyson's handler's specifically chose because he'd be an easy touch) he was set to face Hasim Rahman. At that point despite showing incredible promise as being the most formidable heavyweight titlist, his resume was no greater than that of John Ruiz who held the WBA belt or Chris Byrd who held the IBF bet yet Klitschko fans were putting him in top 10 lists. In 2004. After Rahman scared him into retirement :hey he comes back after a 4 year layoff. This is essentially his case for greatness. Without the comeback and winning against the division's best; it would be dishonest to call him an ATG fighter because his statistical achievements would indicate that he had the makings of a ATG but the legacy of a perennial contender.

Wlad on the other hand has kept slow and steady and had began building his legacy by beating the best fighters in the division. The best fighters are a step below the guys from yesteryear but he is doing it with ease. I have him approaching the top 15 which is serious territory but I do it on the basis of his consistency and longevity and his ability as a fighter, more than I do it on his quality of opposition. Pity that not once in his entire career can he call himself undisputed. To me that affects his ranking.

Joe Louis was beating pretty decent fighters during his tenure and he was remarkably consistent. To this day he has the most title defenses for any champion. Secondly, his quality of opposition is being dangerously overlooked simply because some people lack the boxing knowledge to understand the quality of fighters he faced. Billy Conn was used in this thread in a manner which suggested that he was a pushover or rather Conn wasn't that great a win. To put this in perspective; you cannot excuse the Billy Conn victory and at the same time praise Vitaly for his win over Tomasz Adamek. Conn was unequivocally a better fighter than Adamek and he has a greater legacy.

I actually would argue that Chris Byrd would make it in other era's. But I agree with the notion that this era is dismal.

 

I don't value the opinions of those who feel Joe Louis fought a bunch of bums.

If giving each of his wins letter grades, this is how I'd do it. (with high standards, i.e. a "D" win is still notable)

"A" quality wins:
Max Schmeling II
Jersey Joe Walcott II
Max Baer
Jim Braddock

"B" quality wins:
Billy Conn I
Primo Carnera
Jack Sharkey

"C" quality wins:
Paulino Uzcudun
John Henry Lewis
Tommy Farr
Buddy Baer II
Arturo Godoy II
Bob Pastor I
Bob Pastor II
Tony Galento
Billy Conn II
Jersey Joe Walcott I

"D" quality wins:
Lee Savold
Buddy Baer I
Arturo Godoy I
Abe Simon I
Abe Simon II
Al Ettore
Jimmy Bivins
Tami Mauriello
King Levinsky

Defeats/Draws:
Max Schmeling I
Ezzard Charles
Rocky Marciano


If I tried to do the same for each Klitschko brother, it would be laughable. Beyond laughable. They might have three or four "B" quality wins between the two of them, and then their "C" and "D" list would be speckled with guys not of the comparable caliber that Louis had fought. Besides, since when was Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko one person?

 

And no one values your opinion.

How about that.

 

Should have said no one that matters, sorry.

 

That's because you are stupid!:good

 

NO, you are stupid stupid! :hey :rofl :nut :good

 

So you think Tomasz Adamek is a greater fighter than Billy Conn? Do you think he's a better fighter?

This is new.

If you've followed boxing, read books and watched "thousands" of fights and read "hundreds" of books still contend The K Bros legacies compare to Joe Louis then my friend YOU are the one that is trolling because you should know better.

Your post history says it all. I know you don't know boxing- but it's ok you're in the right place. You'll learn things as time goes on provided you don't stay closed minded. Your problem is you're a Klitschko fan first, and a boxing fan second.

The funny thing is I root for the Klitschko's, I go out of my way to see their fights at odd ****ing hours. But I call a spade a spade. Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali are unequivocally number 1 and 2. Neither Vitaly nor Wlad are top 10 so where does this leave us?

As for Harry Wills, Joe Jeanette and Sam McVey comment; why don't you post in the classic forum?

 

What a waste of ****ing time. Do your parents know your on the internet?

 

This is how "A" quality opponent of Louis era compares to modern opposition:

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