Joe Louis (Marciano fight) vs prime Floyd Patterson

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Glass City Cobra, Jul 18, 2020.


How does this go?

  1. Old Louis by Ko

    3 vote(s)
    8.3%

  2. Old Louis by Decision

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  3. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. Patterson by KO

    28 vote(s)
    77.8%

  5. Patterson by decision

    5 vote(s)
    13.9%
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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    To be fair, Choklab would pick Charlie Zelenoff to go through Liston's resume.
     
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  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Um wtf mate :lol:
     
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  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Are we talking about the modern 214lb HW Joe Louis? From what I heard he rumbled tough 8 rounds with a young punching beast.
    Must be good that Patterson fellow.

    @InMemoryofJakeLamotta Let that 0 go.
     
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  4. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    The way i see it Louis had quantity, Liston had quality.

    Not only did Liston have better names overall, he was utterly dominant. Like Louis he had a meteoric rise to the top before a bump in the road, cleared out the division and then became champion. Louis always looked vulnerable getting dropped by Schmeling, Galento, Baer, Walcott, Braddock etc. He got up to win most fights and showrd good resilience but never was seen as "invincible". Louis was also criticized for his bum of the month tour due to being so superior to most opponents.

    Liston on the other hand had a short reign, but went though a murderer's row of contenders waiting for his title shot. Outside of Walcott and Schmeling, Louis' opponents weren't in the same area code as Louis in terms of skill and technique and he struggled heavily with both. Liston completely crushed his competition by brutal ko or domination all the way up to and including his title winning effort against Patterson. Liston then had the misfortune of facing an opponent who had then perfect style to counter him while simultaneously losing his drive, aging, being inactive, and living the night life with gambling an drinking. Louis lost his physicality due to inactivity from WW2 and came out or retirement due to financial desperation. He still managed to give a good account of himself.

    Comparing old Louis to Patterson tho, I don't think anyone with half a brain thinks Patterson loses this outside of a punchers chance. Louis had slow feet, lacked durability and explosiveness, and his right hand was in hibernation.
     
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  5. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's precisely what I think. Louis beat the best of his times, and defeated some ATGs in Baer, Braddock, Schmeling, Conn, and Walcott.
     
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  6. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marshall, Summelin, Machen, Whitestone or something, were there two Sonny Listons...?
     
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  7. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    byw Patterson stops joe in less than 8
     
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  8. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Those were some of Liston's Burn of the Months, except for Machen.
     
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  9. mr. magoo

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    Judging by Louis’ recent KO record going into the Marciano fight, I don’t think he had the ability to pull the trigger anymore to take advantage of Floyd’s shaky chin. That and Patterson was very fast in his youth and could punch a bit himself. I think Floyd stops that version of Louis. Now, if we were talking about the Joe Louis of 1941 instead of 1951, the result would be 180 degrees in the other direction.
     
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  10. mr. magoo

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    Maybe and maybe not. Schmeling, Conn, J.H. Lewis, Pastor and Walcott were all pretty Goddamn skilled fighters. Now if we were to include Ezzard Charles ( who albeit Louis lost to ) then I think the skilled men argument goes in favor of Louis.
     
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  11. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Me, I think it's about equal.
     
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  12. Eddie Ezzard

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    Response to post #8.
     
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  13. Brockton Rock

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    Louis KO 9
     
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  14. Richard M Murrieta

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    Joe Louis had problems with Ezzard Charles in Sept 1950, in his unsuccessful bid to reclaim the title that he relinquished in 1949. By 1951, going up against a faster opponent in Floyd Patterson would have also become a problem, because of Floyd's speed, and because Cus D Amato would have prepared Floyd to stay away from Joe's right hand. This would have to be the Floyd from the 1950's prior to his loss to Ingo in 1959. Floyd by unanimous decision, Patterson would fight a very cautious bout, landing quick counters behind his famed peek a boo defense. Louis would have lacked the reflexes and timing by then.
     
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  15. Seamus

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    I don't think some folks here have any eye for boxing. If you can't see how decrepit Louis was in the Marciano fight, I suggest buying a new set of eyes. It wasn't Ali-Holmes, but it wasn't far from that either.
     
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