"Joe Louis of '40 vs. Muhammad Ali of '67" in a time machine/fantasy bout. Who wins?

The Ali of pre 1978 was not the kind of fighter one could KO... NOPE! If Ali was to be KO'd prior to age 36, his ass would've been KO'd by at least two or three of the monsterous hitters he faced between 1960 thru 1977...

Joe Louis of 1940 AIN'T gonna catch and stop 1967 Ali on Fantasy Island... NO, NO!!

Z plane. Z plane..:deal
:bbb

SR.BILLARDO:hat

 

Mr. Bill,,,,,,I agree no KO,,,,,,,That fight would be like watching paint dry..:hi:

 

Any human being can be knocked out. This isn't X-Men. And Ali didn't ever face a guy who could bring KO punishment as quickly or accurately as Louis, that combination punching is far far better than anyone Ali ever faced.

 

I agree that Louis would be the most dangerous fighter Ali ever met and that you can't completely rule out a KO, but I don't think he was a "far, far better" combination puncher than Patterson. Better, yes, but not from another universe.

 

I do. Especially the Patterson at that point. He had lost the blinding handspeed that made his combos as good as they were. He was also throwing less complicated combinations as well IMO.... Louis' punches are an unrivalled combination of quick speed, huge power, accuracy in terms of hitting vital points, and design as far as breaking a fighter down... The only one who comes close is robinson, and even then I think his combinations are less intelligently put together. Or perhaps Tyson.

 

Never saw Floyd look better than he did against Ellis. At 37 he still looked fast and sharp against Bonavena and Ali.

Actually, the argument can well be made that he hit his peak in the mid 60's. He had lost a little bit of his speed, but made up for it by being a more well-rounded ring general. What you see as him throwing "less complicated combinations" I'd probably rather put down as someone picking his shots more carefully.

 

I could see either fighter winning.
No one would dominate this fight.

Strictly a stale-mate chess match, as each others skills neutralize each others strength.
I would think, that Muhammad Ali would stay on the outside for the whole fight,
never risking a 1-2 exhange.

And with Joe Louis, trying to match Ali jab-for-jab will not cut it.

This one is close, as it would depend on the judges.
One who favors aggression points, or one who favors boxing points.
Clearly no 'knock-out'.

C'mon Jorodz, twist this one.

 

People like to state how great a combo puncher Louis was and, he was too, but on the flip side of the coin, Louis never faced a dude as sizable and as fast, tuff, savvy and awesome as 1967 Ali...
deal:bbb

SR.BILLARDO:yep

 

what? no man, he was not better at 30+ and after devastating losses to liston. Like every other old boxer, he had become tentative and clearly lost his former ability to pull the trigger. I really don't know what you're talking about when you're saying that Patterson looked his best against Ellis.

 

I think Ali gained some physical upper body strength during his early 70s comeback that he lacked as a youthful 1960s heavyweight / champion... His power in his right was also a tad better too... BUT! His leg speed and flashy reflexes dipped a notch...

MR.BILL:deal

 

Ali dominates him.

 

Yeah, probably right. Ali only faced feather fisted-guys like Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, Frazer...atsch

 

Styles makes fights.

Joe Louis would 'not' have to knock-out Muhammad Ali to win this fight.

Same for Ali, he could win this fight by TKO as well.

Conditioning wins this fight.,,,,,,,Who was the better conditioned fighter..???

 

can't do it man. that's about as objective analysis as you'll get of one of the toughest h2h match ups i can imagine. good work:thumbsup