Joe louis skill level

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  1. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    Most old people that iv asked have claimed joe louis to be the best boxer ever… is this simply the delusion of oldheads or is there any real boxing fans who agree? Personally i cant see louis stacking up very well against the 70s…
     
  2. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Some facts, some oldhead propaganda. I think Louis is a top 5 heavyweight in any era but I'm not so sure he can beat the very best of the super heavyweight crop.
     
  3. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He is the most mechanically sound Heavyweight of all time. Every punch he threw was beyond textbook. He threw everything with his hips, and would put his arms in certain positions to create tension, so that they would recoil with great explosiveness and add even more force to his shots. What really made him dangerous though, was the way he would set up his shots and throw them in combination. Most people misunderstand the principles behind combination punching, you don't just throw one punch after the other randomly, but you chain them together rhythmically, with a sense of flow, thus you can make each shot more powerful than the last, and Louis was incredible at this.

    I also love how he would set them up, he would go to certain positions in order to make his opponents come to him, and then fire away the moment they stepped into his kill zone. He was so good at it that he would sometimes compromise himself by refusing to settle for lesser set ups. And there was almost no way to survive after getting seriously hurt by him, he is arguably the best finisher of all time, If you're made of stone and survive the big punch that rocks you, then Louis would turn you into disadvantageous positions and tee off on you, finishing the job.

    He was an also an excellent counter puncher, he had a very solid defensive tool kit, and like any other all time great fighter, he used it to create further punching opportunities. But all of that wouldn't be possibly without his footwork. He didn't have the most nimble of feet, but he was quick enough to get the job done, and most importantly, he was always in position to punch, and was seldom off balance. Without balance, there's nothing you can effectively do in the Ring, you can't attack and you can't defend, it's the most important skill for a Boxer. Like anybody else, he was indeed vulnerable and off balance when he punched, and some fighters got him down on the canvas due to that, but he had good recovery skills and wasn't the type to get discouraged easily.

    His primary fault as a fighter was that he was probably too much of a destructive machine. He was confident he would get the better of any exchange, and would sometimes neglect his defensive responsibility, resulting in him eating shots he could easily have avoided. Billy Conn also showed that he can become less dangerous if you take away his foundational balance, but just about every fighter is vulnerable to that, but he did also show that Joe's feet would have probably served him better at certain points if they were just a bit more dynamic, like say, Jose Napoles'.
     
  4. HomicideHank

    HomicideHank I believe in the transmigration of souls Full Member

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    They are correct.

    Louis has his way with every fighter from the 70's including the Big 3.

    Both Foreman and Frazier declared Louis the greatest.
     
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  5. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The biggest mic drop ever posted on this forum, especially the first 10 words.
     
  6. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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  8. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Through blood and tears, many men observed immense technical flaws in Louis they could've taken advantage of on the way to the canvas.
     
  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Offensively he was just about the best of all time. Defensively he was still good but had room for improvement.
     
  10. Kid Bacon

    Kid Bacon All-Time-Fat Full Member

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    BINGO!!
    Joe was a superb boxing technician; but as any boxer, he had his flaws.
    They were there to be exploited; but most of his opponents werent aware or didnt do their homework properly .

    My man Max Schmelling did his homework and got Joe Louis fiully figured out, at least for their first bout.
     
  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    He’s as good as it gets the most dangerous boxer in the world. Not one single fighter could stand before him in the ring on his best day.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    Where was the improvement to be had Magoo?
     
  13. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    He was prone to get hit with both strait rights and left hooks and not always by the best technicians. His defense wasn’t “ bad “ but it could have been tightened up
     
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  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Bob N Weave Full Member

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    I ask who do you think at heavyweights was better?
     
  15. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    Thats a lotta words