Joe Louis: The Greatest HW Boxer of all time?

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Who is the Greatest HW Boxer?

  1. Ali is the Greatest HW Boxer.

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    78.3%
  2. Louis is the Greatest HW Boxer.

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    21.7%
  1. Omega74

    Omega74 New Member Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali is generally recognised as the greatest HW Boxer, and more often than not he is the number 1 on most top 10 HW lists. BUT sometimes I see some people ranking Louis above Ali and this Thread is directed to those guys, who do so. What are you arguments for ranking Louis above Ali? Does he have the resume, H2H ability and accomplishments required, to surpass Muhammad?
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Either pick is fine. There is no wrong answer here. What I will say is that people who pick Louis, to be consistent, should be prioritising the world title as a factor, that's Louis's great strength, all those defence. Behind that you have consistency and consistentcy.

    Becasue there is no question of when beat the better and greater fighters, that is Ali. That is why I voted for him.
     
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  3. BCS8

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    People that value H2H a lot might say Lewis whups both of them.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    That's true.

    But it doesn't need to be Lewis, it can be Holmes, Fury, Wladrimir. H2h is way speculative, so you can pick whoever you like within reason.
     
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  5. Rakesh

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    Ali's resume is something not many heavyweights can par on level with imo. Which is why I have hime 1.
     
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  6. BCS8

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    I agree. Holmes and Wlad are two great calls as well. It also depends quite a bit on the guy they're pitched against.
     
  7. BCS8

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    I'd agree but what if he had an extra loss against Norton and had been stopped against Cooper? Two things that could well have happened.
     
  8. Omega74

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    I would definitely favor him against Louis. Im not so sure, that he would beat Ali
     
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  9. Rakesh

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    IMO Ali fought way better opposition regardless, which is why he had extra loses in the first place with guys like Norton.
     
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  10. Rakesh

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    The Billy Conn fight with Louis really put a dent in the "Louis beats Ali" argument.
     
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  11. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Active Member Full Member

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    I remember that Ali and Joe Frazier, had a hard time gaining acceptance by the experts from previous generations whose heroes were Louis, Dempsey, and others of that generation, with Marciano just above them

    Even as experts from even farther back did the same with Jeffires, Johnson, Fitzsimmons, ahead of Dempsey and Louis

    So forgetting what others say, he was a good tactician, didnt lay on the ropes and take a beating like Ali, but he sure didnt have Ali's chin

    and he never beat another great heavyweight. I wonder, how would he have held off a young tiger like Mike Tyson?
     
  12. BCS8

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    Ali - prime Ali with the movement and evasiveness - was special. It's hard matching him up in the imagination against fighters. Slower more hittable Ali I think would have been dog treats.
     
  13. 70sFan865

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    When did Ali fight similar fight to Conn?
     
  14. Omega74

    Omega74 New Member Full Member

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    I was talking about Lennox's chances against Louis and Ali.
     
  15. Rakesh

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    Strong consistent lateral movement troubled Louis and it really showed that fight, not counting Louis out though.