Joe Louis, Underrated or just not that great???

Braddock would be Louis's Predecessor.

 

Basically.

 

Thanks, of course you are correct.:good
I will change it.

 

I liked Louis's clean punching against Godoy but I thought Walcott was getting the better of Louis in their first fight. I wouldn't say either of these fights were the most horrible robberies and whatever controversy there may have been over the outcomes was settled in rematches in decisive fashion. That's the way it should be after a disputed decision.

 

I would agree, the fact that Ruby Goldstein ,voted for Walcott, but only by one point, points the way to how close it was ,imo,possibly akin to the Hagler v Leonard fight, but with the added bonus,that we got to see the results of a rematch in both Louis's defences.

 

I feel ill when I read the question "Is Louis just not that great"?, posed on this post..In my eyes and heart , the Joe Louis of Max Baer, 1935, kos any version of Ali, before or after Ali's layoff...That prime and deadly punching Louis, would have caught up to Ali sometimes in the fight, and no amount of taunting ,showboating, and ultimately Rope-dope, would have saved Ali from the 1935 edition of Louis...I know, the name of Billy Conn will be mentioned to state Ali's case...But ,the Joe Louis of 1935 woulkd have caught up to Billy,{who I greatly admire], and kod Conn in the middle rounds...Louis in 1941 was not the Brown Bomber of 1935-1938..By the way, Louis strong left jab would have nullified, Ali's jab, as Norton did years later...Ali was NEVER hit by Louis's lethal fast combination type, before...And though Ali had a great chin, the punches Max Baer, recieved from Louis,triple left hooks, right crosses, right on the button,would have undone Ali as it did the iron jawed young Baer in 1935...Louis ,overated...silly question. methinks...

 

Louis said his Baer fight was his best, he sure took Max apart.

Louis blamed trying to get under 200lbs against Conn as the reason he felt slow and stale,he didn't want to come in over 200lbs because he was sensitive about Conn's size.

Louis carried the title with such dignity and gravitas ,for such a long time,it is hard to overemphasize what he must have meant to a generation of boxing fans.

 

If Godoy had been handed the title on the strength of that performence then that really would have been seen as a robbery at the time, and rightly so.

I do not see the first Walcott fight as being as clear cut as many claim, but if Walcott had been awarded the title, I think most would have accepted it, even if some would have questioned it.

 

People who say that sort of thing literaly don't know who Joe Louis was.

 

Sure. Donovan who was Louis ref in 15+ title fights, only gave Tommy Farr 1 round out of 15! This is is very suspect and slanted.

As I said before, It seems the judges knew when to give Louis the close ( Walcott I and Godoy I ) rounds to make sure he won. The scoring in the first Godoy fight was rather poor.

By the way, do you own the first Godoy? fight. I have most of the footage, and if you watch it objectively you might be shocked at how bad Louis looks. Based on what I have Godoy was the better by a shade.

 

I never even took this thread seriously as I thought it was simply one of the threads put out to get a reaction ... I've just jumped in at the end ... I never felt Ali was a very dangerous match up for Joe ... everyone points to Conn 1, one fight in one night in a career when Louis likely took him a bit light as far as a threat and also slightily over trained coming in too light ... I see the fight far more like Tito/Oscar or Rosario/Camacho ... I strongly believe Louis could have been trained to fight Ali and make his life miserable ...

 

I have to throw in my 2 cents worth by saying that the Louis that took apart Baer could beat any champion past or present and that includes Ali. Note that I said could not would. I grew up during the 70's watching Ali and thought he was the best. But the more I watch films of Louis I can't help but feel that Joe could beat him. Too many people I think have bought into the idea that Louis was slow and plodding and had bad footwork. Not true at all. Louis employed economical footwork, well balanced and ready to explode at a moments notice. It also helped to conserve energy. You don't have to "dance" like an Ali to be effective. Against the right opponent Ali's dancing was very effective but against the wrong opponent it looked inneffective and wasteful. Against Louis it might be problematic. At some point Ali would have to get close and that could spell trouble. Joe was the best punching HW of all time as well as the most accurate. Combine that with his hand speed and subtle defensive skills that aren't taught anymore and Ali has perhaps the most dangerous opponent he ever faced (I'll also include a prime Dempsey as well). Joe Louis should not be underrated at all. They don't make 'em like that anymore.

 

You said Louis ,via his management had a "relationship "with MSG and implied, that because of this ,they got favourable judging.

The Farr fight was at Yankee Stadium.

BANG GOES THAT THEORY!

Donovan was the ref in 10 Louis fights NOT 15 PLUS.Donovan was only called to give his scoring in 2 of them.His 10 -5 for Louis in the Godoy fight was only ONE POINT different to judge George Lecron's,and exactly the SAME as the NY TIMES
THESE MEN HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF SEEING THE WHOLE FIGHT, AND FROM CLOSE UP,AS IT HAPPENED.
YOU WATCHED, GRAINY 70 YEAR OLD HIGHLIGHTS,AND KNOW BETTER.:huh

I asked you to prove your slandering of the judges and referees .
You have come up with NOTHING.


YOU ARE IN A HOLE.STOP DIGGING.