Joe Louis, Underrated or just not that great???

Well, I actually rate him 2 as a heavyweight all-time and in my top ten p4p. I can certainly understand having him as number one as a heavyweight or much lower p4p but that's my judgement call on him anyway. And if anybody doesn't like it, they can Pongsaklek Wonjongkam off, I tell you.

 

He is nowhere near sold short on this forum, most people have him top two heavyweights on here, rarely do I see a list with him any further down, mine included.

 

Interesting fact for everyone:

When Joe Louis was knocked down by Walcott, it was the first time in 8 years. Galento was the one who knocked him down before that.

8 years.

Its funny, it seems like one person makes an opinion on Louis having a bad chin, and everyone follows.

 

Another interesting fact pertaining to they guy who posted the Walcott Louis fight:

Angelo Dundee taught Ali Walcotts moves. Angelo said "I had the only guy in boxing who could pull it off, so I taught him the moves".



Also, If you watch that Louis Walcott fight, notice how Walcott successfully evades Louis by moving around the ring. But Louis always manages to keep calm every second of the fight, knowing he can time his punches right. I think it's a very great example for showing what Ali vs. Louis mighta looked like.

 

Sorry - I'm a huge Holmes fan, but can't agree with this.

If Kenny Norton can get close enough to square up and tee off on Larry, so can Joe Louis, who is far more dangerous and relentless than Norton ever was (and that's said with no disrespect to Norton whatsoever). Besides, Louis was effective with whatever range was given to him - he had an uncanny ability to land devastating quick right hands from further away than is even fair (or believable without seeing). Just getting caught on the frontier end of one of those is enough to show anybody stars. Holmes could take one if anybody could, but they'd pile up. That ATG jab isn't slowing this stalker down, nor are Larry's own formidable and even underrated crosses.

 

Some of these are downright indigestible for me. :yep

Ali and Holmes I give very good chances (don't favor them myself but won't protest too much if others do).

Setting aside for a moment the idea of anybody knocking Joe out inside 6; Holyfield W15 and Vitali TKO12 are causing the most gastroesophageal reflux. I don't even see the late 80's Holyfield getting to the 15th...and why would Vitali (who has a very deceptively high "KO" ratio) be more able to secure a stoppage than his brother?

 

The used to be underrated Holmes is quickly becoming vastly overrated these days.

He was a great,great fighter skilled,gutsy and tough but he was never untouchable in the ring.

Shavers,Snipes and Berbick all put him on the floor yet Joe Louis THE most effective,accurate puncher in heavyweight (and arguably boxing) history wouldn't be able to land on him?

Sorry I don't buy that at all.

Larry is a chance to beat Joe of course but Louis is a massive chance to give Larry absolute hell.This scenario of Larry just jabbing Louis's head off and copping nothing in return is frankly ludicrous to me.Holmes could and would be hit hard by Joe irrespective of the result.

Nobody was good enough to beat a prime Louis without enduring a helluva lot in return.Even Schmeling had to endure some heavy punishment against a dazed and badly hurt Louis and so would Larry,Muhummad,Mike,Lennox and whatever fighter you care to name.

 

I would like to see you post the highlights so I can see if your judging is off or on this case is off. If you have the full version, Walcott gets the better of Louis in the highlights of the first fight.

The ending was shocking. Are you aware the Garden crowd gives Louis a thunderous boo for winning the decision, and Walcott gets a standing ovation? This happens in robberies.

The judging in some of Louis fights were very biased. His manager and promoter had a real in on Madison Square Garden. One of Louis managers went to prison for mob related stuff.

 

Reznick, its not only the knockdowns. I have seen a 190 pound average puncher in Tommy Farr stun Louis, and a 168 pound Billy Conn do the same.


Who were the best punchers Louis fought? Schemling, M Baer, B Bear, Marciano, and Galento. Odd, four of the five men floored Louis, and two knocked him out.

Average chin.

 

Which highlights do you have? I have the ESPN Classic one, which pretty much shows every round, including the ending which is shocking. There is no question on who won if you go by the crowd's reaction to the decision. If you look at Joe Louis body language just before the announcement of the winner, he looks like the loser.

On my version, Walcott wins most of the rounds.

 

Omg surely you jest!

 

I honestly believe that Louis is the best Heavyweight in boxing history. H2H he may not fare as well as say Ali but the length of his title reign and quality of opposition faced puts him at number 1 for me.

 

When we are talking about who knocked Louis out, with Marciano it was who didn't he knock out and Max had found a ***** in the great man's armour and Louis got a battering before he went down. Louis had a first rate chin if not great one.