Joe Louis, Underrated or just not that great???

I have him at no2 behind Ali but I agree... seeing Louis anywhere from 3 downwards just looks harsh.

 

We're kinda into a period of Louis revisionism. However, last time ESB had a ATHvywt poll he was #2 easy, so obviously many still regard him highly.

 

Under-rated as a H2H force - namely the whole "poor footwork" "no head movement" myths - and in other respects - namely the "gift decisions" "last-gasp KO of Conn" myths. I don't think many people really understand Louis' style.

 

that seems to be the trend doesn't it? as stated just above me by itrymariti, people seem to focus on louis' flaws or weaker performances (which are for some reason famous) instead of the fighting machine from schmeling 2-conn. that louis was brilliant, flaws and all. no, he wasn't perfect but like most of the best, he took what he did well and did it SOOOO well that the rest didn't matter.

 

Jackass,

1 ) Louis managers were mob connected, and had relations with MSG

2 ) The judging in his fights that were completive for Louis were at times suspect and slanted.

3 ) For the third time, I said I did not see the Haye vs. Ruiz fight yet, but that does not disqualify me or anyone from commenting on the news reads or posts here. You seem to have very authoritative opinions on dozens of fights you have not seen.

 

Holyfield-Lewis 1 wasn't exactly Holyfield-Lewis 1 either !
It wasn't as bad as people make out. Kind of a tame fight, bad decision, but nothing to get so worked up about. It was ruled a DRAW, there wasn't a "loss" given to Lewis.
I've seen a lot worse.
It was all contrived so they could both make more money anyway.

 

FACT. LOUIS HAD THREE FIGHTS IN MSG THAT WENT THE DISTANCE, TWO WHILE HE WAS CHAMP.
1937 Louis took a u dec off Bob Pastor who ran like a thief all night and fought only to survive, "Bobs Bicycle Act " no objective person would have given the verdict to Pastor ,[which means you may have].

1940 Louis beat Godoy by split dec.

The referee Donovan 10-5 Louis,judge George Lecron 10-4-1 Louis

Judge Tommy Shortell 5-10 Godoy.

The New York Times 10-5 Louis ,as did several other leading papers.

1947 Louis beat Walcott by split dec.
Re Goldstein 6-7Walcott,[note how close Goldstein' s score was]

Judge Frank Forbes 8-6 Louis
Judge Marty Monroe 9-6 Louis

No one I know has seen the ENTIRE FIGHT,including you.

Now you tell me ,which of the judges were suspect and slanted ,as you say.

John Roxborough,was a numbers runner,that is his "mob connection" , as you put it

You have made some very nasty allegations about men long dead.
You have not produced ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE,OR PROOF to back up your slander.

IF THERE IS A JACKASS HERE,IT IS YOU.

HEE HAW :good

 

Most of the great fighters have mob-connected managers and promoters.
This is the fight racket after all.
There are crooks and non-legit persons everywhere in pro boxing.

And you dont have to go back to the 1930s to find them.

 

ahahaha A+ mcvey

 

Thank you ,kind Sir!

 

I don't think rating him at no 4 is exactly demeaning him myself.
I just think Dempsey beats him.

 

Walcott's manager Felix Bocchicchio was far more "Mob Connected",than Roxborough, he had a long list of arrests to his discredit, including for theft,jailbreaking,and murder,if anyone was likely to have influence, it would have been him.

Jim Braddock,Louis's predecessor as champ, had Joe Gould as a manager, Gould was a one time gopher for Dutch Shultz ,in1923, when killer , and racketeer Owney Madden got out of Sing Sing, Gould ,along with convicted murderer Arthur Bieler, was there to pick him up. Does that mean that Braddock's fights were fixed in his favour?

Bottom line, Joe Louis did not need anyone's help in winning fights, and to suggest otherwise is a slur on both him , his management, and the officials that presided over his bouts.