Joe Louis v Bermane Stiverne?

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  1. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Stiverne is a fighter with an upside: good boxer, timing, punching power, toughness. I usually hate comparing different eras but I'll say Stiverne fighting in the "Bum of the Month" era comports himself pretty well. Louis was an offensive juggernaut but could be stunned, knocked down, but seemed to always recover quickly and win.

    That said, having had your signature wins against the likes of Ray Austin and Chris Arreola does not prepare you for possibly the greatest puncher the heavyweight division has ever seen. Louis by kayo in 6 rounds or less.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    A 168lbs not roided lhvy took Louis into the deep water of 13 rds so maybe Stiverne could go 6 or 7rds?
     
  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Stiverne is no Conn and certainly doesnt have the tools Conn utilized to give Louis fits.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    No he is no Conn, and he doesn't have Conn's wheels, but he's the same height, and nearly 80lbs heavier, and I'm pretty sure he hits a bit harder than Mike Jacobs blue eyed boy Sweet William ever did.
    I reckon Stiverne might go into the second half of the fight, he could even conceivably drop Louis before succumbing to a combo.
    Why should Stiverne fare any worse than Godoy for example?
     
  5. Entaowed

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    Interesting, Conn was listed at 174.5, but I found an article that said he was 169, Louis 204. They might have done so to make it look more equal, yet Louis Infamously cut weight & came in dehydrated to come in under 200 foolishly, so I doubt he was more, likely as listed. Yet sure, Stiverne could get to the middle rounds...
     
  6. klompton2

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    Why would he fare in better. You seem to be basing everything on nothing more than size. Size didnt exactly mean a hill of beans to Louis. Otherwise Stiverne is no better than any of the other mediocre HWs today. I nearly fell asleep watching him lumber through 10 rounds with a fat, exhausted Ray Austin who was brought in as a canon fodder HBO showcase for Stiverne to KO early. Instead Austin befuddled Stiverne and was leading on the cards when the fight was stopped. Had Austin done a couple of days more roadwork he would have won that fight. I sat next to a trainer who had helped work with Austin for this fight and he before the fight even started he told me who would win. I had never even heard of Stiverne and didnt believe it and this guy from Austins camp was telling me they couldnt get Austin to do anything. He said they were promoting Stiverne up the ladder that night. They tried to do the same thing with Ryan Coyne (who was **** also) and both Coyne and Stiverne looked like **** that night. Stiverne was slow, plodding, and predictable and Coyne struggled with a guy who hadnt fought in 4 years (and many thought Coyne lost the fight). No, Stiverne is going to have to show a lot more than just beating a fat, unmotivated, up and down fighter like Arreola to pretend hes even a real contender today much less a threat to Joe Louis.
     
  7. fists of fury

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    I don't know if you mean the first fight, but Conn himself said he was 169 1/2 in the second fight. According to him, Louis was 199 1/2 in the same fight.
     
  8. mcvey

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    I dont call him a threat because that implies he has a realistic chance of winning which I don't see, but he has a realistic chance of lasting as long as many of Louis's challengers.I think Stiverne has pretty good handspeed .I don't call him slow or plodding, he appears quicker than Godoy for example and probably hits harder.