Joe Louis Versus Muhammad Ali

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  1. kjillomene2029

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    On what footage?
     
  2. kjillomene2029

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    What was the speed/sensitivity of film in 1940 compared to 1960? Was it the same?
     
  3. kjillomene2029

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    What jabs would those be?
     
  4. ThatOne

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    He watched the film, sir or ma'am, measured the hand speed with a synchronizer, and arrived at a conclusion. I will leave it to other posters to decide if they want to accept the conclusions of a random internet poster who suggested that Tony Galento had faster hands than Muhammad Ali or the manager of Michael Gerard Tyson, the owner of the largest collection of fight films in the world, and a member of the International Boxing Hall Of Fame.
     
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  5. BoB Box

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    My money would be o
    I dont remember the source but I do remember reading Louis was part white and also part Cherokee but this was ignored since the black community embraced him.
    I respect Emmanuel's opinion based off a pretend computer that most likely had a glitch but my Money is on Louis by split decision.
     
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  6. Levook

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    That is just flat amazing! I've always thought Ali was at least Patterson's equal in speed, maybe even a bit faster.

    Imagine watching Ali in today's quality, it would be mind blowing. Being able to hear all the taunting ("Come on George, they told me you hit hard, you punch like a girl!") would be awesome.
     
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  7. ThatOne

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    I'm lazy but there's a YouTube of Ali throwing 12 punches in 2.8 seconds.
     
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  8. JoeWalcottIII

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    I never suggested that Galento had faster hands than Ali. You clearly can't read. I still don't know what footage was used for this 'study'. You try to make everything as vague as possible.
     
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  9. JoeWalcottIII

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    Owning the largest film collection in the world and being in the HOF doesn't automatically make you believable. If the 'experiment' was never fully explained or disclosed and the parameters are unknown how can you take it as fact? This is pretty much common sense.
     
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  10. ThatOne

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    Sir or ma'am, I will leave it up to the readers of this thread to decide whether to accept the findings of Jim Jacobs and Sports Illustrated or Killomne2029, SaintPreem199 and Walcott3.

    Oh, the experiment in Sports Illustrated was spelled out in great detail:

    For the photograph at right he was asked to jab at and smash a balsa board 16½ inches away when a light was flashed. Timed with an Omegascope, he did it in 19/100 of a second. His fist actually covered the distance in 4/100 of a second, about the period of an eye blink. Here he has knocked out Sonny Liston with an unorthodox downward chop that, he says, "goes back to Jack Johnson."

    A combination is a series of punches delivered in a planned sequence. The simplest and most familiar is the 1-2, in which the 1 represents a jab and is followed instantly by 2, a right to the head. But boxers of advanced skills, like Ali, use much more intricate combinations, involving as many as seven punches or more. In these stroboscopic pictures Ali is delivering a six-punch combination in 2.15 seconds from opening jab to culminating explosive right to the head. The final punch in such a series should be the most powerful—ideally, it should end in a knockout. The preceding punches must be delivered with great speed, both to confuse the opponent and to bring his guard down for the final right. Starting from the top of each strip, Ali flicks out two jabs (the blue glove) in rapid succession, follows, in the center strip, with a hook (blue glove again), a right to the body (red glove), another hook and, finally (top of third strip), the finishing right.

    https://vault.si.com/vault/1969/05/05/muhammad-ali-art-boxing-strategy

    Could you please share this post with your friends SaintPreme199 and Killomene2099. Thank you in advance.
     
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  11. Pugguy

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    Brian London Calling.
     
  12. Entaowed

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    There are many hypothetical ights I have become less certain of over time, & I consider this lack of sureness generally wise.
    But I have never wavered that Ali would have an insurmountable overall & styltsic advantage over Louis.
    Anyone can win when both are ATGs-& these guys are the consensus HW GOATS, at least in terms of accomplishments.

    But as most all see Louis is not stopping Ali.
    Who is somewhat busier & his overall speed would be more than problematic.