Joe Louis vs #1 contender Tami Mauriello on film here

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  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. Mendoza

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    Good stuff A! Keep uploading.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    louis won easily. just like godoy I, how people think those fights are controversial i will never know LOL.
     
  4. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had a degraded version of the first Pastor fight for a while, 3 weeks ago, got my hands on a great copy of the fight. A highly improvement compare to the last copy I had.
     
  5. mcvey

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    The first fight was known as "Bob's Bicycle Act", stung by criticism of his defensive tactics Pastor adopted a more aggressive aproach in the second fight, but Louis's right hand made the wheels fall off his bike!
     
  6. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i read that mauriello had something wrong with one of his legs and couldn't straighten it but it looked OK when he was doing his roadwork.
     
  7. janitor

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    I understand that one of his legs was slightly shorter than the other.

    It is a comparativley comon condition.
     
  8. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the same article i read (1970's)said "an inch lower and tami would have been king"
    also in that article were eugene criqui ,who'd had a sheeps bone grafted onto his jaw after being shot by a german sniper in the first world war,and tommy spiegal.
    harry legge , a british fighter was also mentioned among fighters who'd fought on despite disabilities
     
  9. Mendoza

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    HUH? Let's ask the great A to upload Louis vs Godoy 1, than you and I can score it and see if Louis won easily.

    Sorry SuzieQ, this is not the case. Would you like to score the existing round by round footage if the fight is uploaded here?
     
  10. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I already scored it and I had louis winning. Id be happy to score it again
     
  11. MrMarvel

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    I appreciate all these videos. Very revealing.

    I probably need to see more Mauriello because from what I see here the man can't box. If I didn't know the context, I would wonder how it is possible that a man whose abilities were this limited could amass what looks in the numbers to be the record of an adequate challenger, especially the claim of not having been knocked out or stopped (he's wide open).

    Of course, a year after Louis, Mauriello was knocked out by Gus Lesnevich, a fighter whom he outweighed by 20 pounds and whom had a KO percentage that didn't break 30. Prior to Louis, Mauriello was outboxed and dropped by Joe Baski and Jimmy Bivins (Bivins dropped him twice and beat him twice), among others.

    Mauriello looks like a smaller version of Abe Simon, another beefed up Louis challenger who couldn't box. It's interesting to note that for much of Mauriello's career he was a middleweight and light heavy. He beefed up through the war period moving into contention in a period where there wasn't a lot going on. In hindsight, he was a sacrificial lamb for Louis.

    Louis wasn't hurt by that right hand shot. He was dry and knocked off balance, but clearly he had his wits about him. It worked in his favor, in fact, because Mauriello came in for the kill and was open for Louis' sharp counters. Mauriello could have risen after the final knockdown, in my opinion, but I don't think he wanted any more of Louis. I think he knew it was a mismatch.

    The Pastor film is interesting, as well. I haven't scores it, but Louis looks completely lost throughout most of what I watched. Why didn't he crowd Pastor? Was he afraid Pastor was going to beat him up? It's a good thing there were very few boxers in the heavyweight division at that time. Louis had a devil of a time dealing with boxers. Tunney would have given Louis all kinds of hell if Joe had followed Gene around the ring the way he did Pastor.
     
  12. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mauriello was the #1 contender at the time he fought Louis on September 18, 1946.

    In the November 1946 issue of "RING" (Ending September 15, 1946) and in the December 1946 issue (Ending October 12, 1946), which was after his bout with Louis, Mauriello was still rated #1. The next month, January 1947, he dropped to #4, behind Elmer Ray, Jersey Joe Walcott and Curtis Sheppard.

    Mauriello went back to #1 in the February and March issues.

    Here's the February 1947 Ring ratings that is listed at:

    http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_1946

    THE RING MAGAZINE'S ANNUAL RATINGS: 1946

    As selected by The Ring magazine in the February 1947 issue.

    Joe Louis, Champion

    1. Tami Mauriello
    2. Elmer Ray
    3. Jersey Joe Walcott
    4. Bruce Woodcock
    5. Lee Q Murray
    6. Curtis Sheppard
    7. Melio Bettina
    8. Joe Baksi
    9. Joe Kahut
    10. Joey Maxim

    I just look at the February 1947 issue and it's different then what up on the above web site:

    ANNUAL RATING OF BOXERS

    Joe Louis, Champion
    Leading contenders in order of merit, based on year's performances:


    1. Tami Mauriello
    2. Billy Conn
    3. Elmer Ray
    4. Bruce Woodcock
    5. Jersey Joe Walcott
    6. Curtis Sheppard
    7. Joey Maxim
    8. Joe Baksi
    9. Lee Q Murray
    10. Melio Bettina
    11. Jimmy Bivins
    12. Phil Muscato
    13. Lee Oma
    14. Nathan Mann

    I then went to the next month and figured out the problem. Actually, the web site above is listing the Ratings in the March 1947 issue, not February 1947. All the ratings match up in every division.

    In the March 1947 issue they have: (Ending January 10, 1947)

    Joe Louis, Champion

    1. Tami Mauriello
    2. Elmer Ray
    3. Jersey Joe Walcott
    4. Bruce Woodcock
    5. Lee Q Murray
    6. Curtis Sheppard
    7. Melio Bettina
    8. Joe Baksi
    9. Joe Kahut
    10. Joey Maxim
     
  13. ChrisPontius

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    I knew you'd come to statistical rescue sooner or later. :D