Joe Louis vs Alexander Povetkin

Did you forget to mention how many times Galento got hit in return and how he took it?

Louis was extremely agressive offensive minded boxer and that's why he got hit from time to time. In the end, all opponents that wanted to trade with him got stopped, mostly in brutal fashion. I don't see any reason why Sasha would overcome that. He's better than Galento of course, but Louis didn't treat Tony seriously. He'd treat Sasha seriously. Coming straight at Louis is a suicide, even if you have good defense. Sasha was skilled, powerful and durable but not enough in any of these aspects to beat Louis. I don't see him trying to outbox or outcounter Louis either.

 

Yeah, we just see the matchup differently I guess. That's life

 

He might be a few pounds bigger or about the same. They're both around 240

 

That's a fair point. I'm surprised at Takam's excellent cardio myself, given his build.

 

When it comes to frickin 70lb difference, yes I do.

I've fought smaller weedy guys and they're only annoying until you catch up to them. Then, it's goodnight.

 

So you'd take Primo Carnera over Joe Frazier?

 

First, Frazier was 215lb, not 175lb soaking wet. Second, Frazier could actually hit darn hard, whereas Conn had maybe a dozen kos in his entire long career. Third, I'd take Takam over Carnera, who was as stiff as they come. Hell, I might even take Conn over Carnera, who was pretty slow in addition to being stiff.

 

Wilder hardly ever weighed 240 what do you mean? He spent the vast majority of his career between 215-225ish. Sometimes he was as low as 209 for fury I believe.

 

Depends on if they can take a shot. Conn was only stopped 3x in over 70 fights and two were by Louis. Those skinny cagey guys can be a handful.

 

The difference between Frazier and Carnera is about 60 lbs. In your previous post, you said that 70 lbs is too much to overcome.

Carnera wasn't slow, I don't know where you get it from.

It seems that you are not that consistent with your criteria. Either you can be too big to be beaten or not.

 

Holyfield beat foreman and that was damn near 60 lbs too.

 

Yeah and unlike Takam, Foreman actually was a murderous puncher.

 

Fury (30-0-1), a two-time world heavyweight boxing champion, tipped the scales at 277 pounds Friday at the event’s official weigh-ins. Wilder (42-1-1) weighed in at 238 pounds.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/10...yson-fury-has-39-pound-edge-on-deontay-wilder

 

45lb is the actual difference.

Frazier 215lb, Carnera 260lb.

He wasn't exactly Barry Allen either. Slower than Frazier.

I am consistent. But you are trying to drag the argument out of context by introducing different factors. Takam vs Conn is a matchup between two contenders. Frazier vs Carnera is a matchup between an ATG and somebody Takam would likely have whipped.

As for Holyfield vs Foreman well clearly that's a prime ATG vs an old fat ATG that trained on burgers since the 70's. As remarkable as Foreman's comeback was, he was very beatable and frankly glacially slow.