Joe Louis vs Alexander Povetkin

No, that's not the crux.

The KD or non-KD is not really the main issue here, CT.

If you go back to where I entered the thread, I was responding to the (IMO, ridiculous) assertion that Povetkin went "...life and death with Price."

I saw the bout as a very one-sided destruction of Price by Povetkin.


The KD or non-KD was a secondary issue.

Price got knocked on his ass in round three and stayed down till the count reached 8.

Povetkin got wobbled off balance and staggered eight steps backwards, ending up on the ropes in a corner.

I had no problem with the ref giving the standing eight count due to, in his judgment, Povetkin having been kept up by the ropes.

Povetkin won the balance of the round and scored his own, more decisive KD. The two KDs cancel each other out, and so, the score gets determined by the rest of the round. If you watch the third round, it's fairly obvious that it should be scored for Povetkin

But even if you want to score the third round even ( a bit of a stretch), Povetkin won all the remaining rounds and scored a brutal, devastating fifth round KO. Therefore, the assertion that he went "...life and death with Price..." was , IMO, ludicrous.


Regardless of how you square the semantics of the KD or non-KD, Povetkin won at least four and probably all five rounds, and KO'd his opponent in the fifth. Price won no rounds.
Therefore, Povetkin did not go "life and death with price."


Hope this clarifies.

 

True, it's more likely for a 230 pound man to beat a 300 pound man than a 130 pound man beating a 200 pound man too

 

The reality is that you admitted the count was legitimate which means the refs call was legitimate. Which means Price scored a knockdown.

Anything else is mental gymnastics and semantics.

There is a difference between the rules of boxing and what they consider a knockdown and the usual linguistic definition of the word outside of boxing. According to the rules of boxing, Price knocked him down and it doesn't matter whether Povetkin literally touched the canvas or not. The rules do not care what you think.

 

No I don't have a copy. All I know is that the ref ruled it a knockdown and the judges agreed. There isn't much else to discuss.

The debate was lost the moment he agreed the count was legitimate. He even followed up by saying the scorecards acknowledging the KD were legitimate and said you could score the round even. It really doesn't matter whether a fighter actually touched the canvas at that point unless something resurfaces showing a breaking of the rules like someone was purposely tripped or shoved/etc.

Something similar happened in the cooper Holyfield fight where the ref scored a knockdown for Cooper due to the ropes.

 

No lad, it doesn't mean any such thing.

It means I accept the ref''s take that Pobetkin WOULD HAVE BEEN KNOCKED DOWN had it not been for the ropes, and therefore the eight count was legit. Nothing more.

What is mental gymnastics is trying to walk back your original utterly inane assertion that Povetkin went life and death with Price, in a fight where he was comprehensively outboxed , suffered multiple knockdowns (of the flat-on-your-back variety), and got KTFO''d in the fifth.

 

The question is not whether you agree with the ref's call that the ropes held him up and Povetkin would have been knocked down. The question is whether you can call what happened a knockdown.

The answer is yes.

If the ref scored it a knockdown, he was knocked down.

If the ref blows a whistle and says that a player used unnecessary roughness, it doesn't matter if the other guy doesn't have a scratch on him. If the refs call is held up, then that's what happened.

You really should log out if you don't understand such a simple concept in sports.

I didn't walk back anything, I literally repeated that Povetkin and price went life and death with each other and I still hold that belief.

I could care less if you disagree with my choice of words.

 

You seem to have missed this bit of my reply to CT, Cobra.

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I don't consider it one sided destruction if you get knocked down.

That's far crazier than me claiming they went life and death with each other.

Louis vs Schmeling 2
Liston vs Patterson
Foreman vs Frazier
Wilder vs stiverne 2

Those are one sided destructions.

 

No, Cobra, again, the answer is no.

For a knockdown to have happened, somebody has to be knocked down. And that did not happen

Again, no. You're having that problem with reality again.
In this instance, if the ref rules it a knockdown, he's merely saying it is the equivalent, in scoring terms, of a knockdown. A point gets deducted from Povetkin.

The ref only has jurisdiction over the boxing aspects of the situation...he can rule it a knockdown for scoring purposes.

But he does not have jurisdiction over the physics of reality. He can rule it a knockdown but that doesn't mean Povetkin was actually knocked down.

For that determination, we have the fight video, and that clearly shows that Povetkin was NOT knocked down, merely ruled to have been KD'd for scoring purposes.



And I've repeatedly told you, this was not the crux of the argument.

I initially responded to your assertion that Povetkin went "life and death" with Price.

This statement was (and is) ludicrous.

The fight was a one-sided beatdown where Price was blown out.

 

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Then you don't understand how boxing works. I even clarified that I'm not talking about whether or not Povetkin literally hit the canvas at least twice, yet you have the nerve to question my ability to assess reality.

We're done here until you work on your comprehension skills and familiarize yourself with the rules of boxing.

 

You asserted that Povetkin went life and death with Price.

Here are the facts of the fight, Cobra:

Povetkin outboxed Price in all five of the rounds that the fight lasted. Price did not win a single round. He suffered two knockdowns, the second of which left him out on his feet and flat on his back, senseless.

End of story.

 

Here's another fact, Price knocked him down. It doesn't matter whether he actually hit the canvas. Nobody was asserting that a referee can change the rules of physics. The fact you even went there indicates you're a bit too slow for in depth sports discussions.

Try another hobby.

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This thread is like the twilight zone where people flat out ignore what other people have said and kick the living crud out of strawmen.

 

So just like the rest of the Internet then.