Joe Louis vs Alexander Povetkin

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Jan 31, 2022.


Who wins?

  1. Povetkin

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    29.4%

  2. Louis

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    70.6%
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  1. McGrain

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    Short-faced bear was an absolute beast. Big boys could be as tall as a mammoth when he stood on his back legs. Think about how absolutely terrifying a grizzly is and think about that for a sec, good lord.

    Still would get its head caved in by an African Elephant though. It's mad how in excess of all other land animals the African elephant is for badassery and they still got that Musth advantage, that rage advantage. Bull shark is the only animal to consistently show more testosterone when the African Elephant is maxed out and that's basically a muscle with glands that animal. African Bull Elephant's are really, really smart.

    Would cannon the short-faced bear, all bears who have ever lived, stegosaurs, stuff like that, easy. I wonder has there been any time in history when a land animal was in excess of his nearest competitors (except for prime Olivares) in the way the African Elephant is? He has no competition. Sometimes a failed African Elephant will **** a rhino. And rhino is arguably this meta's number two.
     
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  2. Glass City Cobra

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    Spinosaurus was possibly comfortably ahead of it's nearest competitors the way elephants are. Scientists haven't reached a consensus on it's lifestyle and hunting yet though, could have been anywhere from fairly weak fish hunter who occasionally scavenged/bullied kills from other theropods, or a monstrous apex juggernaut.

    Titanoboa is another.

    I would imagine the Songhua River Mammoth held a similar position.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Firmly in the second camp. Spinosaurus sacrificed points for aquatic behaviors. It was a fish eater, almost certainly. Would get bodied by much smaller animals.
     
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  4. janitor

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    Could we be in danger of thread creep here?
     
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  5. Saintpat

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    I don’t know when this became a dinosaur discussion, but I’ll just interject to say a few years ago I was in NYC on business and I always stay over an extra day to do NYC stuff and that trip I went to the Museum of Natural History.

    I wen to the floor with the dinosaurs and discovered … that kids REALLY like dinosaurs. Especially really LOUD, OBNOXIOUS kids with little or no parental supervision.

    I ducked out and spent my time with the cool suits of armor and stuff.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    :sisi2:
     
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  7. janitor

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    The most formidable terrestrial mammalian predator of all time was probably Andrewsarchus.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    Contender, but African Elephant would body it.

    It really is a thing of nightmares though.
     
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  9. 70sFan865

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    It's not a given whether Andrewsarchus was even a predator or simply a scavenger. We know so little about him...
     
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  10. 70sFan865

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    I always tried to find a more impressive terrestial predator (I used to be massive dinosaur nerd when I was young) but it does seem that Trex was truly the most dangerous terrestial predator that we have found for now. Giganotosaurus is up there, but Tyrannosaurus was thicker and probably more powerful.

    I would take the biggest theropods over African Elephant, but only the biggest ones which were built to kill huge prey.
     
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  11. janitor

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    There are no contemporary land vertebrates that are pure scavengers.

    I would be surprised if Andrewsarchus didn't murder something.
     
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  12. 70sFan865

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    He could have mixed diet though.
     
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  13. janitor

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    We could find some much bigger elephants in the fossil record, and some much bigger Indricotheres and Brontotheres.
     
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    For sure.

    There tends to be a grey area between herbivory and carnivory anyway.

    Herbivores like deer and giraffes, will occasionally kill small animals, and eat them.
     
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    We seem to be creating some new weight classes here.

    Hardest predatory dinosaur

    Hardest predatory mammal

    Hardest herbivorous dinosaur

    Hardest herbivorous mammal

    If we go with sea creatures, we could just dispense with weight classes.
     
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