Joe Louis vs Butterbean

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Butterbean turned pro in 1994. Jack Sharkey and Jersey Joe Walcott died that same year. Coincidence? Or were they just trying to come up with an excuse to duck Butterbean??? Makes you wonder....
     
  2. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Butterbean was outboxed by a 52 year old Larry Holmes. Like the Holmes that beat Norton, except 23 years older. A 25 year old Joe Louis would kill Butterbean dead.
     
  3. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Louis certainly and absolutely did not have Holmes boxing intuition from keeping guys off him,i fact both are absolute polar opposites with how they approached guys,one slowly closed the distance and one didn't let you get near him.

    Butterbean was not the same guy when he fought Holmes as there is such thing as to much weight in boxing,by then he had slowed and was really not cut out for any big time fight after the 90's. Holmes at 52 would still be hit far less then Louis would have just on the long jab.

    could Louis have destroyed Bean? Of course but no fight actually shows this based on his own fights with similar guys as no one was 300 plus pounds with fast punches, crtainly no sub 200 pounder who would need to really drill Bean hard and fast from the get go.
     
  4. cross_trainer

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    Yeah, but 52 year old Holmes was a modern fighter, so he'd beat the dinosaur Holmes who fought Norton.
     
  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Holmes in the Butterbean fight was 254lbs, the Holmes that fought Norton was only 209lbs, and the heaviest fighter he ever fought was 238lbs looool. Old fighters weighed so little, Butterbean Holmes would win, Norton Holmes hasn't been proved against a 254lbs punch, much less against an evolved athlete with better diet knowledge and training methods like Butterbean Holmes
     
  6. reznick

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    Who does more than Ali?
    They've had 60 years to replicate and/or top his style.
    Terrible logic.
     
  7. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    If I can't picture their fight footage having an electric guitar playing in the background, they ain't beating Butterbean. And that's that.
     
  8. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Taking this forum offering seriously, what about Galento vs. the Better Bean? Does anyone want to start that thread? Or has it already been offered?
     
  9. reznick

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    Butterbean was light years ahead of Galento.
    And Galento knocked down Louis and shook him up badly with some punches.

    By my calculations Butterbean KO 7
     
  10. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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  11. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    The best I've heard it put is Galento was in terrible shape for an athlete, butterbean was just in outright terrible shape. Galento actually had serious potential (Jack Dempsey thought so), but was lazy, and didn't train properly.

    I kinda admire Butterbean for carving out a niche doing what he loved, but he really was a circus show, getting beaten by a 50 year old Holmes, and KOed by a guy with a loosing record, Galento actually fought with top contenders.

    No matter how much evolution you think there was, there's no way you can argue Mitchell Rose was better than Nova or the Baers.
     
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

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    Correction....Holmes was 52
     
  13. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Butterbean scored a brutal KO of the modernly trained and conditioned Johnny Knoxville.

    OK Knoxville hasn't got the boxing background of Louis but there is colour film of him hence he must be considered as least a big a threat as Nova, Farr, Baer and Schmeling were.

    Pick'em I reckon.
     
  14. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In a boxing match or in a competitive eating contest?
     
  15. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    If it's Beer, Two Ton takes it.

    If it's chicken and butterbeans, Eric all the way