Joe Louis vs Cesar Brion II 1951

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Thanx to the youtube comrade who put this up




Thoughts on the fight? Brion was 24 years old and # 7 in the world when this fight took place.




Louis looks good in round 2. Really lets his hands go. I love the commentary "This isn't the joe louis of old, not by long shot, but he is still a very tough fighter. He still hits like the kick of a mule" LOL

 

Aren't you the cherry picking one. You certainly would never speak this derogatory if you were talking about Dempsey's opponents. Brion was 24 years old and rated # 7 in the world. He was 6'3 and had an iron chin. Can you name me how many older heavyweights beat a young, tall, rock chinned, ranked heavyweight contender? I don't think Brion was a world beater, but he was better than the slap in the face your giving him. Brion at least knew how to throw straight punches, a jab, and combinations, unlike most of Dempsey's opponents.

I do like your holmes vs Holyfield comparison. Although Holmes was what 44 against holyfield? Louis was only 37 against Brion.



I actually had a pleasant conversation with Cesar Brion's grandson the other day. He is so happy that we are uploading fights of his grandad on youtube. He didn't know much of his grandfather and yet heard so many stories. I told him his grandfather was one of the toughest fighters to enter the ring. A man who shared the ring with multiple hall of famers(Louis, Charles, Marciano in sparring) and went the distance everytime!

 

I hope to be there when it comes up. Unfortunately I have been searching numerous collectors and no one seems to have it. I hope it pops up someday. It was a dull affair. Louis showed up underweight at 203lb, and was sluggish. He basically jabbed Bivins to death for 10 rounds, and the last round Louis finally binned bivins to the ropes and landed some good hard shots...but Bivins took them and survived. A unanimous decision for Joe. Bivins was past it here too.

 

Here is an exact Quote from Jimmy Bivins about fighting Joe Louis


"He might have slowed up quite a bit, but he could still punch. He could punch the same as he always did. He never did lose that zip, that punch with his power."- Jimmy Bivins

Source: Joe Louis: the great black hope By Richard Bak

 

To be honest the only ones I am impressed with are Jack Sharkey and Gene Tunney. But Dempsey did go 1-2 against these men with the one victory being controversial. Even still, Tunney and Shark both fought with their gaurds to low. Against a skilled ombination puncher like floyd patterson, this will get them murdered.

Carpentier, Brennan, Willard, Gibbons seemed to be behind in technical boxing compared to the boxers of the latter eras. Just my opinion.

 

Most of the Marciano/Louis/Liston detractors on this forum are hardcore Dempsey supporters. This is why I bring him and his opponents up. To make a proper connection and correlation to an opinion I have a strong stance on.

Yes. Outside of Tunney and Shark, I don't think the others grasped that part of boxing.

Well I respect your opinion. If you care to disagree, please state why.

 

As gracefully, fluently, technically as heavyweights in the latter eras? I agree with Chris Pontius's view in the other thread.