Joe Louis vs Evander Holyfield

He wasn’t and you don’t take PED’s for chess, You get into good enough shape for boxing that’s the “easy” part and then it’s all thinking.

 

Good luck to you. You are absolutely in your own pocket dimension of reality, here.

 

Ain’t a need to be like that man.
I wish you luck on your way to brother.

 

Joe is a level above

 

Understatement of the century.

 

I didn't mean to be a jerk, but I have never, ever heard anyone deny holy's boxing ability. I mean, the way he could dictate the physical positioning of himself and his opponent in a fight was surreal.

 

It would be funny when Louis' punches are relatively ineffective against Holy's chin, Louis was a great puncher but realistically Bowe, Tyson, and Foreman had more power

 

Do you think Cooper had more power? Not to mention the fact that Louis was more precise than any of those men. His power comes on harder.

 

I just disagree - maybe he was good for heavyweight and Evander was very good. Personally I don’t believe he was “great” or “surreal” at all as an overall boxer . Holyfield shared such a game with players such as… Burley, Tunney, Conn, Robinson, Toney, Louis, B Leonard, Duran, Napoles, Monzon, Moore, Charles, LaMotta, Lopez, Olivares, Arguello, Rose, R Leonard, McCallum, Hagler, Graham, Gavalin, Griffith, Mayweather, Harada, Zarate, Jofre, Armstrong…. On and on the list could go. I could name 50 or maybe many more fighters with some thought I’d rather train someone to model themselves after over EH with all due respect. “Surreal” and “Great” are a very exclusive label IMO. I however TBF cannot make such a list at heavyweight because it’s always been the Hotdog and Monster-Truck division with few exceptions.

 

Is steroids the Captain America super-serum?

 

I do believe that it has been reinterpreted as such. At one point in the comic books they removed it from Cap's system.

 

Based on him getting rocked by Cooper? A former in shape 190lber?

 

He's 190 vs Marciano, vs Louis I was thinking the Holyfield that manhandled 220lb Tyson, at 190 he could possibly beat the past it Louis that Marciano did, prime Louis would have a 20lb advantage on cruiser Holy, which due to the skill level would not be a fair fight at all lol

 

Why is Cap even on the Avengers then? Just give Evander a shield and send his ass out there instead.

 

I was saying Cooper was a former in shape Cruiser.