Joe Louis vs Ingemar Johansson

All Machen and Folley did between 1956 to 1958 was beat valdes or baker. Moore already beat valdes and Baker and Floyd knocked Archie out.

 

The Joe Louis of his prime would have eviscerated Ingemar Johansson as sure as I am typing this post...The greatest punching machine ever seen in his beautiful timing and combinations that was described by a boxing pundit as "a coil spring unwinding "... In his glorious prime Joe reminds me of a super edition of lightweight Alexis Arguello with even more pop in his blows...
Adding to his amazing punching power was Louis's great left jab, that Jimmy Braddock described as "having a light bulb exploding in your face"...
Joe Louis for thye ages...

 

Ingo wasnt knocked out cold by London. It was a knockdown and he was up on his feet long before the count.

 

Louis by stoppage of course, but really, people who claim that a first round knockout is the most likely outcome should think a second time. First round knockouts are rare when two elite fighters face off (and Johansson is an elite fighter, no question about it), even the great Joe Louis usually needed more than one round. And Johansson will be among the better opponents he has faced, not the best, but among the better. Also, he was extremly defensive, someone mentioned Ed Sanders, well he wasnt stopped, he stayed away. He think he would be able to do the same against Louis for a good few rounds.

Johansson woud try to stay away, cirkling Louis and throwing that week jab of his, Louis will be stalking and probably catch up with him somewhere around the fifth round. If Johansson hits him with his right he could hurt or drop him, but he wont stop Louis who is much more durable than given credit for. I think he would be hesitant to throw it against Louis at all to be honest, Johansson was very selective and he would be fearing the counters.

 

:good I agree with this. Louis so obviously wins but there is no doubting Ingo beat the two best heavyweights in the world and deserves to be taken seriously whilst was unbeaten.

 

Johansson has a pretty good puncher's chance.

 

Johansson destroyed Machen, and you seem to dismiss Johansson as nothing.

 

Nope ingo never beat sonny Liston

 

Ingo did not have to beat Sonny before 1959 to prove he was the best fighter in the world since Sonny was always rated below him. It was not until 1960 when ingo was already an ex champion that Sonny established himself as the greatest contender. You need to think chronologically about this. Obviously after 1960 Sonny is the guy needing to be beat for anyone to be declared the best heavyweight in the world, but he had to establish that. We can't give him that status in the 1957-1958 season.

 

Liston feasted on Johansson's leftovers, a bit.

 

Prime Louis has an easy win over Ingo...

 

Not sure.

I maintain, however, that Sonny Liston could.

 

So what! Machen and Folley feasted on Archie Moore's left overs then drew against each other. That's why Floyd took his #3 contender who happened to be unbeaten.

There would have been a greater stink had Floyd avoided Tommy Jackson who took Floyd close pre title.