Joe Louis vs Ingemar Johansson

One factor being overlooked in Ingo's favor would be his very light and fast feet. When in shape moved really well and worked for position for that right hand, stepping around while flicking his jab. But whereas Ingo had one punch he was trying to line up, Louis had about seven. Sooner or later, someone's hammer is going to trip... and the odds are that it will be Louis'.

 

:good good post.

As you say ingo was always looking for position to land a counter right and Joe had a dozen different punches ready, from both hands. Ingo was restricted to one distance. He may have been expert at finding the range and when to the pull the trigger but it is just one punch at one range. where as Joe had deadly short punches as well as longer shots.

 

I think Louis is a big favorite to destroy Ingo who had power and took out Machen and Floyd but the Ingo chin would be in serious danger vs the BB

 

I believe Louis ko's Ingo but the Swede was far from stationary,and he had the power to drop Louis before succumbing to a combination.

 

So you think maybe he takes Louis one out of three or four ? :nut

 

Johannson would have crrapped his pants if he ever fought Liston. A huge mismatch

 

Louis KO first 5 rds.
Cant believe this is a discussion.

 

Really incredible. Ingo was always up there with Carnera when talking about the worst hwt champions. Louis would destroy him. The best vs one of the worst.

 

Liston feasted on Ingo's leftovers. Before 1959 ingo was proberbly a different proposition than the deflated version of ingo that Sonny might have fought after 1962. Clearly Sonny established himself a better fighter overall for that period ....but only with hindsight.

I don't see how the 1958 version of ingo that flattened an unbeaten Eddie Machen is so much of a mismatch for the 1960 version of Sonny that went 12 rounds with the same Eddie Machen??:huh

As for Ingo being afraid of Liston, please read this.


http://www.si.com/vault/1962/08/13/598006/ingemar-says-liston-is-too-slow

 

Guess what,,,,Ingo was wrong. I think Listons hook was what koed Patterson in both fights. First solid blow by Liston would end it.

 

Right, so light and fast that he was embarrassed by an 18 year old Cassius Clay in a legendary sparring exhibition where he was stumbling over his own lightning feet.

 

In fairness, Machen also stopped Hurricane Jackson.

 

"Ingo of 1962"

Off the films of the Bygraves and Richardson bouts, Ingo had gone back a long ways since the mid to late fifties.

He definitely went Hollywood when he won the championship, making a movie and appearing on almost every other TV variety program in the US (I wonder if he was also popping up on TV in other countries)

The Ingo of the 1950's was not great as far as heavyweight champions go, but he was a lot better than the 1962 to 1963 version.

 

"Ingo was always up there with Carnera when talking about the worst hwt champions."

But perhaps not fairly. Johansson has a very thin resume for a champion, but in fairness defeated everyone he fought, and lost only to another champion.