Joe Louis vs Jack Dempsey Bare knuckle 20 rounds.

No you are wrong .Tunney offered to fight Wills the winner to meet Dempsey, Wills refused, I don't blame him but tiaa fact. . Name one white fighter that refused to fight him Dempsey signed articles twice. Fellow black Godfrey's manager wanted a match Wills refused.


Show me one untruth in my post if you can't, you are the bullsh*tter not me.
I say Fulton was a good boxer, he jabbed Langford's head off.

Fulton was considered the number one contender for Willard's title until he ran into Dempsey. In the 3 .5 years leading up to his fight with Dempsey ,Fulton had 35 fights losing 2 on debatable fouls and scoring 25 kos.
Among those he beat were Porky Flynnx2 TomCowler, Frank Moran,GunboatSmith, Charley Weinert, and Carl Morris,he also drew with Billy Miske.

 

Why bare knuckle and London rules? Your making two fine race cars go off track.

It will really limit the action, and benefit the fighter who targets the body, and likes to fight and throw up close.

Dempsey wins here, I think. Louis said he doesn't like to be crowded, and had just okay balance ,which likely means he can be tossed easier. In addition Louis had trouble with fighters who moved well.

 

Dempsey stops Louis quick, with or without gloves.

 

I agree with the pick, but quick? How much harder did Dempsey hit in comparison to a more accurate Max Schmeling?

 

"Renault"

Okay. Why didn't Dempsey defend against Renault?

by most sources, Norfolk was not 39 in 1922. He was 27 or 29.

*by the way, I don't think I would care that much if he were 39, as he was winning fights against top men.

 

Schmeling was the complete antithesis of Dempsey, Max was a methodical conservative counter puncher.Dempsey was a full on ,swing for the fences," knock that big bum down," fighter. He would be all over Louis

 

You're right on Norfolk's age, I got him mixed up . Norfolk's recent heavyweight fights were over nobodies ,Phil McNeil 1-0-1
Jack Ward 0-5-0,Pinky Lewis,14-13-7,Clem Johnson 8-10-2 and he was stopped by 17-8-9 Lee Anderson. The wins he was having over top men were middles and lightheavies. Norfolk was 5'8" and 175/178lbs he gave Wills 6" and 36lbs.
My point in mentioning Renault is to show that:
1. His resume during Dempsey's title tenure was pretty much as good as Wills's.
2.He was one of many rated contenders that Wills missed,and if you think that is just my take on it, read the contemporary papers and get their handle on things.

Dempsey didn't fight Renault , but he did fight and ko2 men that beat him Sharkey, and Miske.Wills did not fight Miske, and he fouled out to Sharkey while taking a beating.

Wills sat on his claim for a title shot ,I'm not disputing he deserved one, I'm saying he didn't help his case by avoiding top contenders during Dempsey's reign opting instead for fringe contenders ,and men that Dempsey had already stopped..

 

Wills said Tunney and nearly all the white contenders wouldn't fight him and many sources back this up. You still lay blame for these fights not happening at the feet of Harry Wills, after it's been pointed out numerous times, disingenuous on your part.

The source for saying Wills rejected the Tunney fight was Tex Rickard, hardly an impartial source. Tunney never fought a black man. Dempsey never fought a black contender after having his ribs broken. And no the papers he signed were obviously nothing more than a media circus in an attempt to protect his image. He said he'd never fight Wills and true to his word he never fought Wills.

If you consider Fulton a good fighter, it's a good win for Wills. 1 of his 3 or 4 final eliminators for the title. For some reason Dempsey fans seem to think the speed of the victory makes it a superior victory. But a dominant win is a dominant win. Wills completely dominated Firpo and Fulton. Yet detractors like yourself still knock him for those wins, because Dempsey finished them quicker. On that basis Muhammed Ali couldn't have been much cop either.

 

Its a matter of public record that Wills and Paddy Mullins refused to fight either Tunney or Godfrey.
The source was the NY Times actually.


Accurate on my part.


You have issues here which I'm guessing are allied with your complexion.

Muhammad Ali, the most famous boxer ever, and one of the most famous black men of all time deserves to have his name spelt right.:nono

 

No it broke his spirit and he lost heart and ambition, hardly a unique occurrence in boxing. check out Gunboat Smith's steep decline, Al Singer's. If Fulton was so fragile I wonder why Langford couldn't stop him in 2 tries?

 

Wills had already beaten hall of famers Sam Langford(Whom Dempsey publicly admitted ducking in 1917), Joe Jeanette (whom dempsey ran out of the ring against in 1918) and Sam McVea.

You mention Miske. Miske lost twice to Kid Norfolk in 1917 and 1919. Norfolk fought Wills next, Wills destroyed him in 2 rounds. I argue Wills win over top contender Norfolk was a big name win.

But, Why didn't Norfolk get the title shot in 1920 over Miske?