Joe Louis vs. Jersey Joe Walcott I

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  1. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good stuff. As much as I love Joe Louis the Walcott and Conn fights show that he struggled with guys that could move.
     
  2. Jason Thomas

    Jason Thomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is also possible that Mike Jacobs and the powers that be, to hype a return, edited the film in such a way to make Walcott look a clearer winner than he might have looked in an unedited film. I can't say if this is true, of course, but I can understand such a motivation.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    Who knows, they were strange days; it would certainly be nice to see the full bifter either way, bizarre that it hasn't emerged.
     
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  4. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was just being silly anyway. It's just a creative way of saying I disagree.
     
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  5. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Even if that was true though, 1940s newspaper articles seem to support that Walcott was robbed.
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    The counters Walcott threw to score the KDs were beauties. Walcott's countering skills were incredible. Excellent footwork, great head-movement and a decent jab to boot. Louis looked good, I thought. Step behind too often though. This would've been a great win for Walcott had he gotten it, but like McGrain says, it's easy to see why he didn't IMO.
     
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  7. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're crazy George.
     
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  8. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I looked in my file. I was not at the fight, but I must have seen it after the fact (probably in the movie theater). My memory's a little foggy on that particular fight. (Unusual, because I usually remember the old stuff better than where I left my keys today.) It must have been the full version because I scored every round. I scored it 8 rounds Walcott to 7 rounds Louis. With the two knockdowns, on a points system, Walcott would have obviously had a larger margin of victory. I wish I could see the whole fight again today. Goldstein had it 7-6-2 Walcott. I'm sure he had the best view of the fight. It was not unheard of in those days for many judges to score close ones for the Champ.
     
  9. 70sFan865

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    I'm not nearly as high on Walcott as some. He did a lot of unnecessary movement and he was a bit one dimensional. Besides, he rarely fought as well as in this fight, usually he slugged at close range. He had questionable, though decent chin and his defense wasn't nearly as good as some want to believe.

    Not to mention that from resume perspective, he was extremely lucky. He got 5 attempts for HW title and he lost almost all of them.
     
  10. 70sFan865

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    I watched it not too long ago and I had Schmeling comfortably winning most rounds.
     
  11. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be fair he was outboxing Abe and was out of prime that fight. I believe he started his new trainer after that fight? Could be wrong. And he was a sparring partner of Baer when he was young and I think was sent home early for being knocked out to easily (something along those lines when he was young young).
    Max was not a fan of Walcott. He took it as a sign that the era was weak that his sparring partner was now champ. But going forward that’s not an uncommon thing for sparring partners of champs to rise above.
     
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  12. The Long Count

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    I can see why Louis won. He was the aggressor throughout and his jab had Walcott moving around. Close fight that went to the champion.
     
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  13. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Walcott was a showman, that's why. Classy fighters had started to becoming more prominent rather than economical ones after Joe Louis became dominant. Walcott found a way to entertain by fighting and entertaining when he wasn't punching.

    5 attempts yes, but nearly all of boxing fans and historians would say he was robbed in the Louis fight and at least once in a Charles fight. You could say Walcott had already won the title twice by the time he actually won it.
     
  14. William Walker

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    I might have to rewatch it then, but I had Schmeling surprisingly a little behind by round 8.
     
  15. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What jab? Louis barely threw his. Walcott threw his somewhat frequently.