Joe Louis -vs- Lennox Lewis:

...and he wasn't hit regularly by 236 pounders either. He did keep getting up of course, but so did Floyd Patterson- and virtually every contemporary reports called him 'chinny'. In fact, Boxing Illustrated called him it back in 1959 'before' his fight with Johnasson- in which they correctly predicted Floyd would be beaten up. I've read a fair few old timers call Louis 'chinny'. :good

 

Damiani was very talented and very good, surely underrated. But I meant only, that if someone say, that Conn easily outboxed Louis, I counter also with a stupid example...

 

Yet strangley nobody ever managed to capitalize on this.

And lets be honest it was not for the want of people getting the chance to test his chin.

 

Louis was actualy hit by a good few 230 pounders and they did OK up to a point.

It should be noted however that guys like Schmeling and Walcott had more sucess against Louis's chin than the Max Baers, Buddy Baers and Tony Galentos.

You might want to ask why that is.

Size and power on its own is worth two buckets of warm ****.

 

He was hit on the button by them. Just because he fought a few big lemons doesn't mean he was hit as cleanly as Lewis was with Rahman. Lewis fought other big ****s too, but he wasn't hit than cleanly so their punching power wasn't as much of an issue. Just because one fights a big hitter doesn't mean they're hit 'cleanly by them, power hits and all (e.g. Ali vs Liston).

 

But when speed and skills are evenly matched it's worth its weight in gold.

 

Louis was hit cleanly by a lot of the big heavies he faced. You can go back and study the frames if you want. In some ways he was more prone to getting clocked by them than Lewis because he had to work inside the danger zone.

 

Ok I will.

 

Yes but they almost never are equal between two fighters.

What you have to apreciate is that there havnt been any fighters like Schmeling or Walcott in the last 30 years. Defensive slicksters who also carry a big payload. Fighters with their sort of power are never developed that way today.

Imagine a big cruiserweight with the defensive skills of a James Toney combined with good footwork yet packing a walop 90% as hard as Hasim Ramhan. That is the sort of creature that Joe Walcott was.

A product of an age when fighters were brought along under unfavourable circumstances and had to develop energy eficient fighting methods. Walcott was the last of the Dinosaurs.

 

Start with Max Baer and Buddy Baer I.

 

I think that for those of us who picked Lennox Lewis, we're wasting our time here.

 

I'd change this to

"Louis

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only be knocked out when he recieved a sustianed beating eg Schmeling, unlike Lewis"

There's no guarantee a guy of Lewis gargantuan size and power could not take Joe out far faster than Schmeling given the right set of events.

 

Sure.

But it would be a rash man who asumed that he could.