Joe Louis vs Lennox Lewis

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  1. HeavyweightCP

    HeavyweightCP Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have seen both men fight.

    Lewis was a great fighter with a good jab and he knew how to use his size.

    But he had no where near the skill of Joe louis.

    Joe was great at countering over jabs.

    I really see him knocking Lewis clean out.

    Lewis moved a bit but he did not have great movement.

    your not beating joe doing that


    People need to look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R78hdxpRfws


    http://coxscorner.tripod.com/louis.html

    Skills pay the bills Joe had to much skill for Lennox.

    size dont win fights skills do people need to remember that
     
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  2. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis would knock him out, I admire Louis a great deal, and I don't buy into new always beats old, but Lewis would destroy him. He is not max Baer or primo Carnera, he is one of the best heavyweights ever, with a great jab and uppercut, an he knew how to use his size advantage. Louis would never find himself in a position to counter over a jab, and would be picked apart until Lewis Ko'd him. And no, size does not always matter, but when you are world class and the size difference is as great as it is in this situation, you have a huge advantage.

    Lewis IMO does not as great as joe, and if I'm having trouble joe is one of the first people who's fights I'll put on to see how he does it, but joe does not stand a chance against a lot of the bigger guys today, like Klitschkos and Lewis.
     
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  3. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And I'm not sure what that video proves, it shows him doing a lot of stuff that is common knowledge, and are basic fundamentals, that are common in most every great fighters. Similar videos are on YouTube about charlie burley and ezzard Charles, and while it is great stuff, they are not exclusive to these fighters, these videos are made and their skills are broken down as if they are cracking the code of their greatness.
     
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  4. I Know Everythi

    I Know Everythi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lennox due to size and his skill is not as good as Louis but still highly skilled
     
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  5. mr. magoo

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    Assuming Lennox has the right people in his corner and doesn't come to the fight half asleep he does fine.
     
  6. HeavyweightCP

    HeavyweightCP Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lewis does not have the movement or explosiveness to beat joe.

    Joe knew how to fight big men joe would ko lewis.

    Lewis would have to much trouble with joes skill.

    also your not getting away from joe forever period.

    Vitali might have a small shot but Wlad gets destroyed by joe does not have the chin he would be getting countered all night by joe
     
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  7. HeavyweightCP

    HeavyweightCP Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing back in the 30s and 40s was at its peak half the things fighters don't even know now.

    like the shoulder roll a old school defensive guard people at like its rocket science now.

    Joe combo wise and skill and technique wise Joe was a textbook almost perfect.

    It would be the first time Lewis would see his jab get picked off almost every time he throws it and get hit by a devastating Combo they would get him out of there
     
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  8. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You act like it's rocket science, I see a great boxer with great fundamental's, Just like I see with great boxer's from the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's etc. There are great fighters in any era and there are mid level boxers. For instance, while this era has quite a few short fat heavies, that lack head movement, their are still great fighters. For instance, the methods and skills taught to tall heavyweights are far different than those of the past. This is an example of evolution in the sport, and debunks you peak theory. I would have a hard time believing that you think Carnera and Baer are more technically sound and more skilled than Lewis or the Klitschko's. I would also find it absurd if you think a prime Ali, or prime Tyson and or Holyfield have inferior skills than boxers of the 30's through 50's.

    The fact is Joe never faced a Tall fighter of Lewis' caliber in his prime. None embodied the skills that he had, and none fought the proper way that a big tal guy should. Hell, everytime I watch the 6'9 Carnera fight I find myself pained by his tendencies to go on the inside and trade hooks, and crouch over. Skill for skill Joe is greater, i'll admit that, but there has to be a point where size makes the difference, and with a fighter as skilled as lewis having such a huge size advantage Joe stands little chance. Pair that with Joe's punch power and louis is in for a long night, or short night if you will considering he was dropped by Braddock, Schmeling, galento etc. You seem to overrate Joe's ability in head to head situations based on his greatness in his own era, but I personally think he'd get sparked out by great tall guy's like Lewis and klits, or even explosive fighters like prime Tyson.
     
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  9. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One last thing, the fact that you open this thread with 'I have seen both men fight" leads me to believe your knowledge of them is limited, perhaps to a fight or 2 or to highlight vids and videos that over analyze "subtle skills." Also as far as your point of size does not matter, I'd like you to tell me how you think Pep, WW Robinson, and WW Armstrong would fair against Louis. I use them as reference since they are generally top 3 or p4p like, top 5 at least, and usually considered the most skilled fighters.

    Edit: I use WW Armstrong cause I'd like him to be as close to Louis as possible. And Ray to be at his bet with out being to Close.
     
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  10. HeavyweightCP

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    Only fighters I would possibly take over Joe is Prime Al because of his movement and Tyson cause of his speed and explosiveness might back caught Joe off guard and get him out of there.

    He beats any other heavyweights in history and possibly Tyson and ali to
     
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  11. HeavyweightCP

    HeavyweightCP Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dude I have seen all of lewis major fights and I have seen at least 10 or more lewis fights and read about him and Lennox.

    plus im talking heavyweights.

    Also robinson beats every fighter from 147-160 and kos almost all of them. would beat a lot of guys at 168-175

    Armstrong would dominate every class from 126-154.

    I think he would every middleweight except GGG possibly.

    if pep was round today he would not lose from 126-135 I think he could fight up at 140 and win to

    you know why because of there skill skills pay the bills
     
  12. Meazy-E

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    The weight difference between WW robinson and Louis is about the same as Louis to Klitschko, Why does size not mattering only apply to heavyweight. And as for you thinking Armstrong dominates every middleweight other than GGG i have no comment, that comment alone shows your limited boxing knowledge... And You are delusional if you think Robinson dominates every MW-LHW, At Mw he is not beating the likes of Greb, Monzon, and Hagler, and at LHW there is no chance of him dominating the guys like Tunney Charles, Moore, Hopkins, Jones Jr. etc. Armstrong will not, and never would dominate any and every class up to 154, and pep would lose to rigondeaux given rego goes to 126.
     
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  13. HeavyweightCP

    HeavyweightCP Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you are stupid Im talking if they fought today bro
     
  14. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Joe Louis is the 2nd Greatest Heavyweight of All Time but I don`t think he matches up well with Lennox Lewis. Lennox has that size along with the skills and power to offset Joe.

    Besides Size and skills Lewis was a smart heavyweight and I think he keeps the fight at the range he is effective while making Louis pay a toll. I don`t see Joe Louis handling the power of Lennox Lewis very well over the distance.
     
  15. SILVER SKULL 66

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    A prime Lennox of 1995 would have outweighed Louis by about 40-45 lbs, thats' way too much weight to concede to a man near or equal to your talent:-(
    Lewis was a smart fighter he would have used that long jab to keep Joe at bay and just dropped right hand bombs till Joe eventually gets KO'D..

    Sorry LEWIS would have stopped Joe in 6 or 7 rounds, simply too big and powerful:deal