Joe Louis vs Lennox Lewis

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  1. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    lie he had a 100ko vs none skilled never with anybody who moved good as lennox era
     
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  2. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lewis is like 40lbs heavier, great footwork, sharp punching and combinations, uses the jab brilliantly, great finisher, great timing, will use his size, Louis does put his punches together well, but he was stiff and not very mobile or elusive off the back foot, how do you expect him to get near Lewis fighting like that? He can't go forward because he would be walking into the bombs of a man 40lbs heavier and he can't fight off the backfoot because that just wasn't his style.
    BE REALISTIC
     
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  3. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't get why people can't just use common sense, it is so blatantly obvious to me that Lewis would destroy him, he would back Louis up immediately, Louis with his lack of mobility would be stuck on the ropes on in a corner and first decent punch Lewis lands, it would be curtains, I get Louis was great for his time, but times have changed, styles have changed, new techniques are being used and there is reason for that, because they realized it works
    There are people who say Greb beats Andre Ward ffs, it is pure favoritism to past fighters, and there is no point in them giving opinions if they're gonna be biased
     
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  5. moneytheman12

    moneytheman12 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I argee with everything you said

    frazier fought like a man named henry Armstrong from the 30s but frazier didnt come in the exact way cause he knew he had to add more to the style he knew he would be destroyed if he didnt

    if a person has to add more to a style that shows right there the style is outdated it's common sense so no it is no way louis can come in with the tiptoe movement and mutiple stuff missing in his upperbody movement and do good he would be like I always said destroyed

    the classic quote goes like this louis beat men big as lennox which is a lie none of the dudes he fought was as muscular even galento he was fat and so sloopy he was a joke and dropped louis

    I have posted vids showing the advances in bowe and ruddock and was told beforehand louis moved better then when I showed razor I got some weird response saying if he moved better why did he get ko the vid was nothing to do with who won or lost

    I had said in my breakdown movement only

    then I showed bowe moving more advanced and was told his footwork was bad I then said but his upperbody movement was more advanced I got no response after cause it was no debunk for it

    I can always show advances that Louis and nobody from his era or before showed and they still will act blind and say Louis was more skilled

    Bowe razor lennox George ali and any other middle card/big name would go undefeated in that Louis era and have no challenge ever but Louis not only stuggled but lost

    that should tell people he wasnt as great as People like here acting like he was

    we need more people like you white and me here people who tell the raw truth
     
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  6. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly, it's small changes, but it makes all the difference, for example back in the 40s and before fighters were a lot looser and when they would roll it would be exaggerated, they would roll like how a rope swings, and they threw slower punches, even when they would lean back, it would be too much and they would be out of range, every movement is much tighter now, feints, movement and punches, they slip just the right distance to whichever side and they're in range to punch, they have learned subtle tricks to set up punches, like how Mayweather would put his hands up as if he was gonna let them tee off, but as soon as they threw he pulled back and countered and it would take them by surprise, there are plenty of other things too. The main if 2 world level fighters fought eachother, 1 modern and 1 from back then for example Charlo vs Ketchel, Charlo would beat him to the punch, the speed difference is huge, and after about 20 seconds Ketchel would be in his shell because he can't compete with the speed or explosiveness or technique and he would be like '****, I don't wanna use this time machine, let me stay where I am you can go'
    A Neanderthal is not as intelligent as a modern human, physical evolution and we have learned more, same applies to boxing
    A neanderthal isn't as intelligent as a modern human, because of physical evolution and we have learned things, same applies to boxing
     
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  7. moneytheman12

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    all facts I think the main reason people act blind or just lie is cause they know Louis isn't as great on a movement level compared

    alot of them dudes in the black and white era only did good cause of people right there in front of them if Im in a street fight and a person is there in my face yea I can hit him easy

    put a moving target there I struggle it's so obvious
     
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  8. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, people have said things like 'Carnera was big' or 'Buddy Baer was big' They didn't use their reach at all especially Buddy Baer, then their size is nothing, they are just a big target, size is a disadvantage if you don't use it, because it's a large body to aim at and there are gaps, whereas if you use it and stay at arms length and don't give them a target to throw at it becomes a huge advantage
     
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    that is fact to but like they always say Louis and others beat big dudes yet people missing the whole point is they were big but wasnt muscular and like you said didnt use their size

    to me it was like they just was bigger but fought the same as the smaller dudes

    I was asked last week by cross how come they didnt learn how to protect their face I said its cause it's all they knew a person without video to research any new tech even trying new stuff if they dont know how to do something new right they wont stay with it

    like trail and error they probably tried stuff in gym seen it didnt work good went back to the basic come forward brawling

    the best mover I seen back In the black and white era before the ali era was jersey he moved like a prototype mike good at angles and could counterpunch from angles I do like his style the most as far as movement
     
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  10. Devon

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    Yeah, Walcott looked relatively modern, and I feel like a lot of fighters took a lot from how he fought, he definitely beat Louis in the 1st fight and only lost the 2nd because he stayed in range too long
     
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    This is the dumbest thing I've read all week. You should post less often.
     
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    Couldn't agree more... keep well.
     
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    looks like to me razor moved better then louis in upper and lower body movement

    looks like Bowe lower movement is bad but upperbody is more advanced

    louis is stiff tiptoes and missing mutiple advances that both bowe his opponent and razor and his opponent had

    was told it was dumb telling the truth see how saying Im wrong makes you people look like idiots
     
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    jersey was so good at counter punching he caught louis fast and dropped him 1st drop then the 2nd drop

    Jersey is the best skilled like the said in the black and white era but Louis gets the credit for some odd reason as being the best mover
    louis had the best punch tech in the era
     
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    You too chief
     
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