Joe Louis vs Lennox Lewis

Nothing wrong with either of our opinions. You see a square.. I see a cube. We could go on about this all day, but let's not.. Good debate. :good

 

-He still had enough craft beat Tommy Farr.

-In the footage of the Louis fight, Galento looked pretty active. Lots of bobbing and weaving. The Nova fight was described was a dirty slugfest.

-Of course Conn was written off because of his size, Louis possibly made the same mistake as claimed. It was foolish.

-Schemling was past it but again, very very crafty all time great with a strong right hand. There are worse opponents a rising star could get ambushed by.

 

True. Let's just agree that Lord Bruno would have a shot at Louis.

 

First, I would add that Bowe and Holyfield were showing up for a title fight on a big stage. Prior to that Holyfield nearly overlooked Cooper and Bowe Tony Tubbs. Schemling might have got those versions.

But yeah..All hail Lord Bruno. Lose to the Best, Beat the Rest.

 

Well the other obvious difference is that despite their struggles Bowe and Evander still beat Sir Bert and Monsieur Tony.. Louis dropped the ball against Max. But good point :good

His Lordship be thy right.

 

Joe Louis was so sharp Lewis would not even get off. If Lennox is clever he will maul at Joe, use his weight. Lennox has a punchers chance. That's it.

All the things Lennox did well only worked on slower heavyweights, they were not the hair trigger athletes of a Joe Louis.

Lennox would be reduced to adapting to almost carnera tactics just to get off. The timing and sharpness, radar and positioning of a classic sized heavyweight of ATG status would severely restrict what you think Lewis could do. It would hinder too much of what Lennox brought to the table. It would leave him naked. Too much target. Joe has too much time to land.

Good big guy beats good small guy..blah blah blah. There are exceptions to the rule when talking exceptional fighters. Joe Louis was not just exceptional, he was a phenom.

Lennox was a great fighter but no phenom. He was a talented big guy who "got there in the end" a slow burning candle who outlasted a generation of experimental bodybuilders and chemically enhanced contenders without Lennox's natural talent, size and pedigree. Not so much a dominating force but a last man standing.

 

If if Lewis fights smart behind the jab all night long.. WHAT exactly is Joe going to do.. Stop with the hyperbole for Joe... I'm asking what SPECIFICALLY is Joe going to do. You act like Joe was some speedster or something. He was a PLODDER.. LITERALLY a PLODDER. He's not Conn here. The Size.. height.. Reach.. Weight all mean Lewis doesn't need to engage Joe at all in range. Lewis would have a BIG points lead by the 4th round... probably dropping Louis at least 2 times in that frame.. Then it becomes even harder for Joe to do anything meaningful with Lewis in the lead and able to fight smart and patient. Joe best chance would be if Lewis was willing to engage. He wouldn't be with a lead

 

If it was that simple then Primo Carnera would have beaten him.

Louis is not just the best finisher in the history of the heavyweight division, he was also the best at overcoming this particular style.

If Lewis doesn’t think a bit outside the box here, he is going to loose.

 

Just got home. Gee another era comparison. atsch
If you look at a prime 1940 Lewis against a prime 2000 Louis how do you see that turning out?
Ridiculous...

 

Only Primo couldn't carry Lewis jockstrap.... I being serious here.. We can't even compare the 2. Louis never had to over come this style against somebody like Lewis. never happened. Also Janitor... who do you think faced the superior competition between the 2 here?

 

I don't think Louis would deal with Lewis' right too well. Then again, I don't think Lewis and his pawing jab deals too well with Louis short inside right hand either!

That's what makes this match interesting. Louis has no hope of outboxing Lewis but his punchers chance is so huge. He's great getting inside big guys, knew how to fight 'em, and always stepped in with his right hand. Lewis is such a huge target and such a lazy jabber, it would be hard to miss.

Two patient men, but I don't think this match goes long. One or the other is going to be stunned in the first three rounds.

Lewis is a better mover and a bigger hitter than the big men Louis faced. Lewis got caught with stupid punches from McCall and Rahman, and Louis is much more clever with his counters and they are dreadfully short.

I'd buy a ticket, but I wouldn't expect to be there long. Put a gun to my head, and I think Louis sparks him.

 

Its perfectly acceptible, perhaps even plausible to pick Joe Louis over Lennox Lewis. But to do so on the premise that Louis beat other big men like Carnera, Simon and the Baer brothers is laughable and not to mention insulting. Lennox Lewis was by far and above a better fighter than those guys were in just about every aspect. About the only thing I'll give to those guys was Max Baer's chin over Lennox's, and even then I'm skeptical.

 

I think I'm going to start saying that Duran - Leonard 2 was a fix. Dude didn't even try and quit without taking any damage.

 

Lennox was superior in every way to Primo Carnera but that does not mean primo would not look a better fighter against a man his own size, who he had enough time to use full leverage on. It is no use saying all big guys could not box, they were restricted against world class faster men. Everything a giant boxer had to do in order to be successful against world class smaller men was a compromise. Lennox fought more men closer to his size than Carnera ever did and look at the difference. Lennox was able to look a great fighter who could box to his full capacity because he could time, out think, out speed slower and less talented men closer to his own size. Lewis will have to compromise a **** load of what he had to box with Joe Louis. Evander was an old man giving away weight and with every so called advantage Lewis had to be careful. Against prime Joe Louis? Timber!

 

Louis could probably get up to around 220 with modern supplements this would make for a great fight id take Louis Lewis would be star struck which would affect his performance.