Joe Louis vs Lennox Lewis

Umm he's EXACTLY somebody Louis has never seen or faced before. None.. literally NONE of the guys you mentioned could even hold a candle to Lewis... I mean really.. He's never faced anybody like Lewis before. People haven't taken away his jab? Conn did.. Marciano did.. Charles did x 2... From what I've seen Walcott did as well. Louis would not be out jabbing Lewis. I like how people take Lewis at his worst and Joe at his best.. this is LEWIS AT HIS BEST.. he's not pawing with the jab he's firing it with authority.. just like his right cross... he's being aggressive yet using his boxing and size and reach advantage. Joe was a plodder.. Plodding forward isn't the way to beat Lewis.. that's your ticket to getting KO'd

 

I disagree somewhat. Against Klitschko Lewis was thrown a ramrod jab, which was hard enough to stop a 250lb man in his tracks, and against the likes of Ruddock, Golota, Grant and Vitali, (his timing was admittedly off) he wasn't all that tentative in terms of his aggressiveness at all. I think it just depended on the situation as to how he fought and when he was younger he was much faster and moved much more than was the case when he was older. But as he aged I thought he sat on his punches more and if he felt that fighters such as Vitali or Briggs couldn't hurt him, he would start to walk them down.

 

atsch:twisted: why don't you understand what I'm saying??.? :huh I meant in terms of his SIZE and his SIZE alone!!?? Get it???

And Conn didn't take Louis' jab away from him at all??? atsch. He launch raids at opportune moments and outspeeded Louis with his in and out flurries? And if you've gotta use the Marciano & Charles fights as arguments then you god damn really are clutching at the craziest of straws there?? And you moan about me looking at Lewis' performance against Holy as unfair?? :huh. Plus Wally didn't take away Louis' jab either?? He danced around and shifted around and used his own brilliant jab (hundred times better than Lewis' also) but he didn't counter jab with Louis no one did really - PPS Joe was not a plodder at all - Lewis was the plodder when he was anything over 235? Louis was pretty quick on his feet going on the attack?? Check out the Louis vs Sharkey, Louis vs Max Baer, Louis vs Buddy Baer, Louis vs Abe Simon fights and tell me Louis was 'plodding' in those?? Granted Lennox was much quicker (and IMO a much better fighter) in his younger days when he was weighing in the region of 227/230 and that's the guy I would use as the guy to be matching against Joe Louis but the vast majority of the population seem to think the 240plus programmed slob of the latter portion of his career was the better version? Don't ask me why?

 

Against Klitschko Lewis was an embarrassment to himself - and klitschko wasn't much better they were both shambolic - don't know really what you're getting at with your first couple of lines there though?. Ruddock was Lewis' shining moment - he was awesome that night - Golota had an anxiety attack and imploded - Grant was just a complete novice and a hype job and Lewis simply exposed him and the Vitali fight was just awful? I'd question anyone using the Klitschko fight as evidence of how great a fighter Lewis was - that was probably the worst fight of his career - which tells you how bad klitschko is in reality for fighting to the death with that version of Lewis?

 

Obviously you can spin things anyway you want to help support your argument, that's all you've done.

I was merely commenting on his jab, which to me was a about as far away as pawing with it as I've seen. And I don't think it was even close to his worst fight, he found a way to grit out a win while his timing and conditioning were obviously off. If nothing else it was a gutsy performance and as for Klitschko I doubt very much Louis would be standing if he'd been on the receiving end of that upper cut, Lewis threw in the last round.

 

Another one of these joke threads. Lewis would maul Louis into a bloody pulp. This wouldn't last 3 rounds. Louis is too primotive, too small. Can't compete with modern day SHWs, different era. Sport has evolved tremendously, Louis would be outmatched.

 

Lennox had a good skill set so yes, he could throw different types of jabs for different situations BUT.......at his own pace.

The bigger Lennox got the less of a round he could fight. Lennox would have too much to focus on, he can't take too much of the round off with Joe Louis beating him to the draw.

 

Then your point is rather silly.. Who cares if one is fighting a guy with dimensions the same if they aren't NEARLY as good. That is a comment bordering on.. Well I'll be nice. It was a nonsensical comparison is all I'll say. Nobody is saying Louis couldn't beat bigger guys with less or significantly less skills.. he could.. What we're saying is.. he hasn't been shown to beat a big guy with the skills that Lewis possessed.

Ummm they took his jab away.. period.. it doesn't matter HOW they took it away.. they took away its effectiveness. Period. It could be from movement it could be from countering.. it could be because their breath stank.. it doesn't matter... my point was Louis jab was taken away on a no. of occasions for whatever the reason.

 

Those skills were hindered by Lewis's sheer size. He needed to be wary of faster men with a better pace. If he could only work part of the round against a guy as slow that's fine. But Joe Louis is beating him to the punch.

 

Yeah, no kidding. If guys like Hasim Rahman or Oliver McCall could shatter Lewis's fragile chin, an ATG puncher like Joe Louis would obliterate it.

Lewis is ridiculously overrated. He wouldn't have lasted a round with Joe Louis.

 

I don't completely disagree, but I think the version who fought Ruddock would be much faster and fluid than the older version of Lewis and that younger, aggressive version I think would beat Louis. But sooner or later size matters, otherwise one could start arguing that Jones could beat Lewis because he could out speed him. I couldn't imagine someone like Conn beating Lewis regardless of the speed difference. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I don't believe Lewis ever fought anyone under 200lbs in his entire career.

 

So Joe Louis is gonna " shuffle " his way in past Lewis incredible reach advantage, who also happens to be very athletic for a guy his size, and KO him?


Yeah right.

Next please.

 

Louis could get past a bigger fighters jab as easily as he could break wind.

If all Lewis has got to bring to the table is his jab, then he might as well not bother turning up!

 

Good response janitor. It isn't as if Louis would have a "deer in the headlights" look when Lewis throws his jab. Chappie Blackburn would tell Joe what he needs to do. Lewis' best chance I feel would be to jump on Joe from the opening bell and try to overwhelm him and catch him by surprise. If he fights cautiously and timidly Joe will eventually catch him and stop him. I lean toward that ending.

 

Joe Louis had slower feet than molasses, compared to LL. Please don't be so stupid. This is a mismatch, Lewis annihilates Louis at his own convenience.

There is good reason to believe that prime Ali toys with Joe Louis. There is also good reason to believe that prime Lewis is too much for prime Ali. It is shooting fish in a barrel as far as Lennox is concerned.

One big right hand from Lewis and Joe is asleep before he hits the canvas, Pac / Marquez style, and Louis was NOT hard to hit.