Joe Louis vs modern giants: settling tbe debate.

Can't you see that these two positions are mutually incompatible?

 

Janitor,

The best boxers Louis faced in Schmeling, Charles, Conn, and Walcott had little problem hitting Louis. They won more rounds than Louis did, and it's not even close.

The crude ( let's call them for what they were ) punchers in Galento and B Baer who landed something early floored Louis, suggesting once again he was not hard to hit, and not very durable. These were not knockdowns from taking a lot of punches. Once again, the defense is an issue and the chin is questioned by how quickly he went down relative to what landed.

Nonpower hitters ( Conn, Farr and Braddock either floored or stunned Louis on film, showing his durability level wasn't very good. If Louis had a good chin, these guys would not rock him in the slightest.

The reason Louis had a long run without being stopped is two-fold.

1 ) The competition wasn't very good. - Source Ring Magazine. Louis had too much hand speed and power, combined with offensive skills.

2 ) He fought few skilled punchers. Disagree with me, and please name them, you won't need more than one hand to count.

Wlad holds the record for not being floored a champion for something like 10 years. Does he have a good chin? No, but his defense, footwork, height / reach and power compensated. In Louis case, he doesn't have the defense or footwork, and if matched vs bigger a skilled puncher, would be in for a tough night giving up his reach advantage.

 

None of this addresses the logical inconsistency, that a fighter can't have a poor chin, and poor defense, and not get stopped for ten years.

That fighter has to have something.

 

You are right, he did have something, extremely weak competition.

 

And the Reply-Oscar goes to....Pat M

 

The logical inconsistency of consistent eras.

 

What does slow shuffling feet even mean?

Besides a term that Ali used to paint a picture comparing his magical footwork to heavyweights of old.

I understand why Ali used it, but not why aficionados use it in their analyses.

What does it even mean?
What other boxers, perhaps modern, display slow shuffling feet?

I understand that the line between colorful boxing vernacular and actual analyses can blur a little bit, but can we finally put an analytic lense on “slow shuffling feet?”

 

I'm guessing the original question isn't settled yet ...

 

It is like I have said.

There is no era so weak that the top fighter can go without getting stopped, without having something.

However painful it might be to some people, to give Louis credit for something, they are ultimately going to have to!

 

If he faces non punchers and low skilled hitters yes he can. Punchers often blow out lesser competition which I already sourced. No less authority than Ring Magazine who said Louis time had the least amount of talent at heavyweight.

Louis wasn't just a puncher, he was a very skilled puncher.

 

Yeah, from June 37 until June 48, he fought a collection of nobodies.

 

How many skilled punchers did he face? Name them. You will only need one hand. Go for it.

 

Walcott
Retzlaff
Nova
Schmeling
Mann
Braddock
Lewis
All good punchers.

 

Look, you are just flailing around here.

There is no such thing as an era where there are not dangerous punchers.

Even in a weak era, any deficiencies in a fighters durability and defense will get exposed.

If you take a fighter who is not particularly proficient in either chin of defense, and keep matching him against the best of the era, he is going to get stopped a lot.