Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston of 1960?

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is all fact and all easily verifiable. In fact in one of the Bill Miller instances Liston and Quarry appeared on an exhibition card to benefit Ferd Hernandez and to hype the match Miller was trying to make between the two. After the exhibition Liston backed out of the Quarry fight. Liston wanted no one with a pulse. You saw why when he faced Martin. Martin was the most dangerous guy he faced in his comeback and he damn near got decapitated.
     
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  2. William Walker

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    Ya, and Martin was not that great considering all the heavies that were on the scene.
     
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  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tbh I don't know if Ingo would've beaten ANY of the lineal champs.
     
  4. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Ii6 Full Member

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    I'd give him a chance to beat quite a few.
     
  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Me and @george went through this a couple weeks ago actually. I would favor him over some though (like Carnera, Hart, Fitz maybe) but I can't do it with any real confidence. He may very well lose to all of them. I think he loses to Dempsey, Sharkey, Baer, Johnson, Marciano, Schmeling, Ali, Louis, Liston, Foreman, Tyson, Frazier, Baer, Holmes, Holyfield, Bowe, Klitschko, Lewis, Jeffries, off the top of my head.
     
  6. 70sFan865

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    I wouldn't give him edge over Fitzsimmons (very underrated HW, probably due to his lack of size) but I'd pick him to beat Leon Spinks or Shannon Briggs.
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I admittedly don't know much about the pre-Dempsey champions. You're probably much more knowledgeable than me in that regard. I'd give him a good chance, against Spinks, Briggs, and Moorer. Who do you think he beats out of all the lineal champions? Is that it or are there more?
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I have a theory that all the guys who win a title, always had it in them to win a title. Even if it was just for one fight. It might have took a careers worth of grooming to win it for one fight, but that’s ok. Some champs were not set to dominate. They had a goal to win the title, and with the right preparation they were able to achieve it. Look at all the challenges who almost made it. The ones who gave really good champions unexpectedly hard fights. They almost made it. It dosnt mean they might have made it against a lesser champion, it just shows how good a career best performance can be for one fight. One notch above this you have your one fight champs. These guys were good enough to be champions. I give them credit.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Braddock,Burns, Carnera , Leon Spinks maybe, but not many others,imo .
    He was in the right place at the right time,and was briefly The Man.
     
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  10. Devon

    Devon Active Member Full Member

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    Liston because Louis was 46
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sounds like a guy who knew he was aging and past his best,and preferred to fight those who were more stylistically suited to him at that late stage of his career.
    I ain't gonna condemn him for it!
    Its not like he was 28 and fighting Ron Stander or Terry Daniels!
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Seems he had an appetite only for fights he already knew he could win. Like you say, he’d paid his dues by then..but by the same token making a case for Sonny against better fighters during this period doesn’t hold much water if that was his only ambition & attitude back then.
     
  13. mcvey

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    I've made no such case .he was still a dangerous opponent but his reflexes ,never the quickest had clearly eroded, and his dedication to training had gone South much earlier.The fact that he gave Martin such a good go is commendable imo, he just ran out of gas.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    Well, I'd give him a much better chance against most heavies than you do! I definitely think him beating Leon Spinks should be a staple though, same with Hart and Burns.
     
  15. George Crowcroft

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    I think I picked him over:

    Corbett, Fitz, Hart, Sharkey, Carnera, Schmeling, Baer, Walcott, Leon Spinks, Briggs and Rahman.

    With 50/50s vs: Jeffries and Douglas

    I might be overrating him, but I really do think his blistering right hand, ferocious finishing, speed and feinting lead-hand is bad for a lot of heavyweights, and so I think he'd do well for himself in a round-robin involving every lineal champion.

    My good friend, and poster @The Undefeated Lachbuster has also pondered the fact whether Ingo was the better of the two vs Patterson, and slipped after beating him. I think he sited the difference in their fights with Machen (don't quote me on that, I might have just done that in my own head at the time), although Patterson certainly did better vs London, and probably Cooper too.