Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston of 1960?

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For all the BS in the thread it's blatantly obvious that both have some sort of a chance. This is an open fight.

    Liston would be the best Joe ever fought. Joe could be dropped and troubled by lesser fighters than Sonny. In his prime he always came back however, but again - against lesser fighters. So there's that murky ground in the middle there that Liston being better may be able to conclude him. It's certainly no given however.

    On the other hand excepting Ali Sonny has never faced anything like Louis. His speed and power are off the charts and he, like Liston, has quite good fundamentals particularly for a heavyweight.

    I'd very very minorly favor Louis. His speed, precision and countering have me ever so slightly leaning his way. He was immensely dangerous when hurt. Liston was too for that matter but i wonder if Joe might be more chance of getting in there first when the going gets critical.

    Liston's jab might even end up being the difference here. If he can control Joe at range and stunt his attack he'd be in good stead. He could build off that jab and really launch some good offensives.

    Great match.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Excellent post, if you don't mind could you play devil's advocate for Liston? I remember Janitor saying that if Liston wins, it would be because he was much better at anticipating his opponent I agree wholeheartedly.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    I think it's simple. If he wins he hurts Louis and finishes him off. Having said that it's not impossible Liston gets ahead on points with that jab however both like to come forward stalking and i don't think it's going the distance. Liston can be reasonably precise with those bombs as well and both are going to get hit hard. Who emerges from that?
     
  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    I'd say you and John have been the most insightful on this subject, Swag. You guys have me seeing it your way.
     
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    In that scenario I still see Louis coming up with apocalyptic combinations in the later rounds. Though I have a hard time believing Liston would get knocked out (of course it's possible), I do see Joe at least taking the decision.

    However, I must exclaim that I've been watching Liston a whole lot more because of Swag, and I have grown massively in my appreciation for him.
     
  6. William Walker

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    my mistake
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

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    I appreciate that A LOT Rules! Being compared to John is the biggest compliment anyone has ever payed me here! :lol: And just a couple of days ago I was "one of the main reasons for this forums decline". My stock is skyrocketing!
     
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    I believe Liston's superior ability to think on his feet and durability would have him come out on top in that hypothetical situation.
     
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    I noticed you changed your avatar. Is that you JT?
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    Maybe, maybe not.
     
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    :lol:
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    Maybe but it's a fine line. If he hurt you no-one finished like Louis. His combination punching and accuracy was frightening. Louis is probably the greatest puncher ever and like Liston he slips and blocks very well. There's every chance Louis gets there first but he did wear some solid blows in various fights too.

    Louis went down more often but so did a guy like Holmes. They were both good at getting back up and winning - Louis more so by devastating KO.

    Have a look from 7.48-8.30. Baer tags Louis and unleashes but Joe doesn't take long to turn defense into a blistering explosion of straight bombs to put Baer in trouble. Love the little skip walking back to the corner too.

     
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    Incredible. What a machine.
     
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    There are some other topics about Liston where it was maintained that he is born most likely before 1930. Therefore was the first day of this fixed as earliest birthday. The consensus was I think between 1923 and 1929.

    But I'm not sure if he knew his mother or she did an interview about the birth. His sister on the other hand was very familar with him and answered about this to journalists.
     
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    Action-packed brutal fight; which probably ends relatively early, within 8 rounds. Liston was very strong with heavy hands and a good jab. Louis could be decked momentarily by strong guys like Liston. However, I think Louis was just too fast and explosive for Sonny. Prime Joe had underrated footwork and subtle head movement and counters, and I think Sonny was not exactly a defensive wizard. Joe would hit him sooner and more quickly than Sonny would hit him. So with Joe's speed edge, extremely accurate punching, and pulverizing power to the body and head, I think he's ultimately going to win by KO. But he might have some rough moments because Sonny was very strong and heavy handed. Sonny wasn't the type to kill the clock or stall. He is going to fight it out, which actually makes it end sooner.