Joe Louis vs Sonny Liston

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  1. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Heres a great match-up featuring 2 alltime greats who could end a fight with 1 punch.Louis probabely has the faster hands but Liston the physical strength.Who wins?
     
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  2. RAMPAGE0017

    RAMPAGE0017 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Liston KOs Louis... I'll give him 5 or 6 rounds. I'm not really a believer as far as Joe's power goes.. I mean, I'm sure he was powerful for his day, but I don't think his power holds up as well in future generations.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This fight is a nightmare. How to begin? I have it as a pick em and there are several reasons for this.

    I posted a thread (
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    ) about areas where Liston shaded Louis, which I would love to reference here as it had a great response. To paraphrase it here, Liston had Louis edged in terms of:

    Chin (barely)
    Power (in his biggest shots)
    Jab
    Raw strength
    Ring smarts

    Wheras Louis has, I feel clearly better footwork, faster hands, better combo's and has proven his stamina to a greater extent (See the rally in Walcott II where he was way past his prime).

    So how to quantify all of this? The problem is it's all bull**** because of what has been seen. ANY fighter that every came to either of these guys during their peaks got his head handed to him. If you go to Liston you get murdered. If you go to Louis you get murdered.

    If you'd set up a poll I wouldn't have voted in it. I think it's to close to call.

    However, if I'd just joined a new gambling site and they'd given me a free £3 bet for this fight, I wouldn't waste it. I'd put it on Louis to win by mid round stopage. But I wouldn't neccesarily expect to see a return.
     
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  4. Executioner

    Executioner Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Liston knocks him out with a piledriver right hand in the 8th round but Louis, of course wins the rematch.
     
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  5. Ramon Rojo

    Ramon Rojo Active Member Full Member

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    Liston by KO before 6th
     
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  6. groove

    groove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This would be some fight. I can't see it lasting more than 6 rounds. Could go either way. Liston may finish it quick as he's got the extra power. But Louis is the better combo puncher so it's very interesting match-up. Hard one to call. I favour Liston to win within 3 rounds or Louis to win from 4th round onwards.
     
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  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I like Louis in 9 by KO.
    Faster hands
    better combo's
    smarter fighter.
     
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  8. Jupiter1610

    Jupiter1610 New Member Full Member

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    I like Liston by KO. I think that he has the better chin of the two and the superior defense, despite Joe's edge in speed and accuracy.
     
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  9. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mcgrain, yours was fun and interesting post, one of the better ones from the last few years. Cheers
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Thanks for taking the time to say so.
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You SOB, I have to agree :lol:


    Bump. Bump, bump, bump.

    He just...i don't know. Anyway, i've said it before i'll say it again, that fight fell outside of Joe's composite peak. And it should be added that Schmeling was a very smart fighter.

    But I agree that Liston was the smarter of the two.
     
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Of the ATG's,yes. But in his defence all he had to think about most of the time was "how do i get this guy to come to me".

    Much like a crackhead, he was lost when thinking about anything else, but very good at devising ways of getting crack.
     
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  13. Muchmoore

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    I would pick Liston. They fought a lot alike, but Liston had the edge in most categories by a little bit.

    Liston by KO within 9.
     
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  14. hobgoblin

    hobgoblin Active Member Full Member

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    Liston had a far superior jab so he'd give Louis trouble there. However, I still put my money on Louis to be defensive, look for openings, counter, and get a brutal KO with his counter, well timed combination punching.

    Louis by KO but Liston has a good chance of pulling off an upset.
     
    hobgoblin, Jun 17, 2007
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  15. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I think that in order for Louis to win, he has to give ground to Liston. I don't mean dance around the ring, more like what he tried against Marciano. I don't believe he can tear into Liston and try to bully him. Liston is too much bull for Louis to try that with. I think he can land cleaner punches, without using as much effort, if he lets Liston follow him.

    I think this one goes the distance. I don't see Joe knocking Liston out fighting in the fashion I described.

    I think Louis can win a close decision, winning with crisp combinations.
     
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