Joe Louis vs. Valentino Highlights (High Quality)

The problem with that line of logical argument is it somewhat diminishes the flawed opinion of the "Rockista's "that in stopping Louis, Rocky beat a 213lbs class ko puncher,and therefore would obviously be in the mix with modern sized heavyweight punchers.

 

Which is exactly, and so transparently, what all the fuss is about.

 

I've never said Rocky could handle the modern day Giants....he couldn't. They are too big powerful and athletic

I do believe head to head not a man past or present who weighs under 190lb would beat him in a boxing match when Marciano is at his best.

 

I've just addressed your point above...now you address mine.

Louis double right hand uppercut to overhand right finish on Valentino was a thing of beauty in my eyes...was it not to your eyes?

In that highlight clip do we not see Louis throwing an active sharp heavy right hand?

 

Louis was a puncher, and he did weight 213lb. So Marciano gets credit for beating a puncher 30lb heavier than him. No one here is discussing Marciano being able to beat a 6'7 250 athletic freak like Joshua. That is you making stuff up.

Louis is seen here throwing a sharp fast active right hand, and throws a beautiful uppercut overhand right combo to finish him off..

Do you disagree with any of that? If not then maybe it's time to reconsider your position he had no power left against the late 40s/early 50s world class fighters.

 

So all those historians who said jack Dempsey and jack Johnson were the greatest of all time...you believe them?

The film is there. You have your eyes. Is Louis right hand combo to knockout Valentino impressive or not?

 

You are perfectly entitled to that opinion.I'd pick Dempsey to beat him and give Langford a shot but, outside of them nobody really.

 

Heavy right

 

I'm making up nothing, I'm saying Rocky fans ,as an argument that Marciano could handle modern-sized heavyweight punchers Louis is unfailingly trotted out as the proof. I ve proved my position which I might add is also Joe Louis's!
"My right hand don't leave me no more"." I spotted the openings but I couldn't take advantage of them"
From Sept1950 until Oct 1951 Louis scored 3 stoppage victories in10 fights, only one of which was a knock out and only one of which was over a rated fighter ,This directly and conclusively disproves your argument that he was still ko'ing top rated contenders in the 1950's!
No need to slyly introduce the 1940's into the equation,I'm much too old a hand not to notice when someone tries to move the goal posts.!
In closing, I was going to welcome you back but given your belligerent and aggressive stance, I'll hold that welcome in abeyance!

 

But he was Mcvey, whether you like it or not, savold was the ring magazine number 2 contender in the world when Louis knocked him out in 51.

Does that not qualify as a top contender by definition?

Now if you think savold was undeserving or the division was at its weakest point in history, those are separate arguments.

Bottom line: savold was highly ranked when Louis smashed him

If you wanna argue Louis never fought any of the upcoming contenders, you can make that argument. Although it should be noted Louis did knock out Nino Valdez out cold in 1 round in 1950 in a fight similar to the Valentino one. Afterwards, Valdez never wanted to fight Louis again.

He missed out on baker and Henry, but he did fight the two best Marciano and Charles. He laid out heavy punishment to both. Who else besides Marciano Charles and maybe Walcott beat him in fifty one?

 

" ,This directly and conclusively disproves your argument that he was still ko'ing top rated contenders in the 1950's!"

Except I just provided a fact Louis knocked out a top contender in 1951

 

It's been a while! I missed you too bud cheers mate

 

I would favor no one against him under 190. Not Dempsey, not Langford. No one.

 

He knocked out Savold who at 36 nearly as old as himself, a Savold who was never that good in his prime and who was having his next to last fight.8 months later this was the verdict on that final fight.

"The will was there but not the body," said Daly. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire from the ring tomorrow."

John (Ox) DaGrosa, Pennsylvania state athletic commissioner, said he was going to suspend Savold indefinitely and ask him to retire"

 

It's an entirely reasonable position to take. I have him in the top 3 all time at that weight and make only Dempsey favourite over him.Again I think that is reasonable.
I'd pick Rocky to beat:
Sullivan
Corbett
Fitzsimmons
Hart
Burns
Willard
Tunney. 55/45
Schmeling60/40
Sharkey
Carnera
Baer 60/40
Braddock
Charles 60/40
Walcott 55/45
Patterson
Johannson
Frazier 55/45
Spinks L
That's a lot of scalps.