Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

Well he's a welterweight, and he's from this era...

By your logic, he probably whips Robinson, Gavilan, and Basilio on the same night and makes Leonard, Hearns, Benitez, and Duran look foolish...

 

You've established a lot of points in your own mind. You're a one man gang who has solid opinions and is entitled to them but tarnishes it by not knowing what you do not know. There are half a dozen incorrect points in your post above. Take some time and do more homework before starting with the self righteous rants. Just my two cents

 

You've established a lot of points in your own mind. You're a one man gang who has solid opinions and is entitled to them but tarnishes it by not knowing what you do not know. There are half a dozen incorrect points in your post above. Take some time and do more homework before starting with the self righteous rants. Just my two cents

 

Id say more than a half a dozen!!

 

You say Ron Lyle was a good opponent for George Foreman? By good, you mean big, but Jerry Quarry schooled Ron Lyle and Joe Frazier hammered Jerry Quarry. Yet you still slag Frazier of as often as you can. You are the one with warped logic, mate!

I watched Byrd vs Vittle last night, and Vittle looked like a Willard/Carnera hybrid. Tyson Fury is an "oaf" by your own definition, too. You are fixated with size to the exclusion of all else. Louis was troubled less by the big men he faced than smaller guys. Farr, Godoy, Braddock and Conn were much harder fights than Baer or Carnera for Joe.

 

Maybe it's understandable he's fixated by size when people try to compare that big useless lummox Carnera with either the K bros, or Lewis. After all you just did.

 

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jesus janitor...dont ask him for more justification or we'll have another 100 pages of this nonsense

 

Impartial? You?! :rofl Thanks for the laugh.

You make up arbitrary, bull**** statistics such as KO% against REAL HWs to make the Klits and their opponents look better than they are. What you fail to realize is that Ali and Louis WERE legitimate HWs for their era, and whether or not they would be HWs in today's era is irrelevant. Of course modern HWs are going to be bigger because they have "modern nutrition", that's just common sense. And modern nutrition is a completely meaningless phrase anyway. Seriously, could anyone tell me how modern nutrition is any different from the nutrition of the 60s-70s? You keep calling Ali, Frazier, and Shavers "featherfists", when even the most featherfisted HW fighter could probably knock out a person on the street.

And then you act like YOU'RE the one who's enlightened and so much smarter than us, even comparing yourself to Galileo. In reality, you're the equivalent of a Scientologist. You keep trying to convince people that your "religion" is the only true path, when everyone, or at least everyone with an IQ above room temperature, knows that everything you say is total bull****. And before you say that there are other posters who agree with you, I'm 90% sure that they're just alts you made to make it look like you're not the only one who hold the opinions you do. While that may be true, like janitor said, the amount of people who share your opinions are most likely a very, very small percentage of boxing fans.

What's really sad is that your opinions are all from the Heavyweightblog. You just parrot whatever you read on that ridiculous site that's more biased than Fox News. I bet none of your posts have an original argument or opinion in them.

 

Conversely it is up to those that claim Joe Louis or Marciano would beat todays behemoths to explain how and why. I have stated I don't believe Joe could " shuffle " inside the jabs, and big right hands of either Klitchko, or Lennox Lewis.

None of those 3 are anything like as ponderous, un coordinated, or limited as any of the " big " men that Joe, or Rocky beat.

 

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We'll agree to disagree. I think there is a huge difference in skill, athleticism, power, and in fact almost everything between both the K2 brothers, and Lewis, and the big men Joe or Rocky fought.

And yes in comparison they were " stumblebums " Not one of them could snap out a fast, accurate very hard jab like Lewis or the K brothers. Never mind the big right hands or the sheer volume that Vitali could throw in his prime.

Anyone who would compare a big useless dollop like Carnera with the 3 mentioned above must live in a cuckoo clock. He had neither the ability, agility, mobility, hand speed, foot speed, balance, or technique of these guys. He was simply as big, but there the comparison ends.

 

Lets agree that Lewis and the Klitschko’s are in a class by themselves as super heavies.

Were there any super heavyweights under them, who could have stopped the guys Louis demolished, from getting above them in the rankings?

I suspect not!

 

Bowed was terrific. On a good night I think he beats either Klitschkos. Wlad for sure.

 

Bowe got hit an awful lot and this is overlooked, he was hit pretty often by a (supposedly sick heart) Evander (his best opponent) I think his best win was Holyfield and we know he looked awful against Golota....timing is important here...could Bowe have filled in for Brewster,Sanders or Purity and got the win YES but a prime and seasoned & mature Vlad would have a field day with the jab and rocket right hands and movement over any version of Bowe and I suspect Vitali beat any version of Bowe...who could take a decent shot he got hit often by Golota By Evander (who had him down) but could he take the shots of Vlad & Vitali......Joe Louis hit much harder than EH and was much faster of hand than all 3

I rate Bowe in the top 5 Big men Lennox,Vitali Vlad,Bowe, but after that the list gets thinner we have Terrell, Primo,Willard,Thompson,etc.