Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

Thats all you have...Really? No I am proud to live here, and find no need to have alts. Geez....this is a boxing website, why would you?. You see I actually have a life, and a wife. You're on here 24/7. Do you not have friends? Do you not have wife or girlfriend? Do you like girls?

What is wrong with you....Elroy?

 

Agree completely Bummy.

 

or maybe he is married.

its why i'm on here so much.

 

:good

 

The best to do is ignore the kid...
I´m amazed how this **** of thread is going to 110 pages...

 

No, we tend to take the view that the fighters who proved the most in the real physical universe were the best.

That is why we tend to rate Joe Louis rather highly.

 

who did Bowe beat that was as good as the brothers at their best, no one close. When I speak of the Golota fights (we know know that Golota had mental issues and threw away a sure win 2X) but that was not a prime Bowe, the prime Bowe avoided fighting Lennox Lewis and I think we know why. Bowe had a solid chin but he got hit too much to be hit by the brothers and the Jab of Vlad and the rocket like right hand would have Bowe punchy by mid fight. Vitali IMO would stop him by the 8th-9th round

You speak of me bringing up the Golota fights but it is You have no credibility when you bring up the Purity,Brewster or Sanders fights or Vitali's fight with Byrd who he was dominating until an arm injury ( torn rotator cuff) Manny made adjustments to Vlad like he did with Lennox and the results have been remarkable. Wlad has fought Big guys, punchers with speed (Haye) and speedy guys like Chambers

I guess in your hubris you think your opinion is as certain as death and taxes but in reality it is only one small opinion

In my opinion the Brothers are better than Bowe as was Lennox but while the brothers would offer more than Bowe vs Louis IMO they still fall short

 

Elroy, you keep saying that Wlad is faster and better technically than Louis. The burden of proof is on you.

 

:rofl
What happened to that guy called Holyfield?

Beating a prime Holyfield is a much tougher ask than beating a limited low volume , straight puncher with a pudding chin and poor stamina.

Holyfield past his best figured out Lewis well enough to last 24 rounds and give him all he could handle.

Wlad is a lot less complex than Lewis .
What to be fully aware to Bowe and Fuch going into a Wlad fight , i see Bowe already having the beating of him before he even entered the ring. To many angles and movement to give him while Wlad just has the same 1-2 gameplan and once Bowe stats teeing off on the inside and backs up Wlad , he isn't equiped to fight back or has the defence weather the storm

 

Bowe was open to short hooks on the inside but slipped and avoided straight shots a lot better

 

I thought that is what we are supposed to be discussing. Those in favour of the old timers are talking about their respective era's elite.

So are those of us supporting the modern era.

After all the thread is Joe Louis v Vitali.

The whole issue here is people are screaming like stuck pigs when their moronic statements like Louis / Marciano easily beat the 3 we agree are in a class of their own at Super Heavy ( particularly from nationalistic Americans ) are being ridiculed.

We get garbage like the only thing Golota could do was quit or get DQ'd as a way out from losing to Bowe. When the reality is Golota was winning both those fights on all three cards and sick of the gutless Bowe's fouls he decided to pay back with interest, and screw the rules.

We further get garbage about Holyfield giving Lewis all the trouble he could handle over 24 rounds, when again the reality is you had Foreman, Jones Jr, Merchant, and fvck knows how many writers all apologising, and saying they were ashamed to be Americans because even Stevie Wonder could have seen that Lewis was blatantly robbed.

That is simply not giving someone all the trouble they can handle.

Elroy can be pretty dismissive of old timers, but this nostalgic garbage that the likes of Louis or Marciano are just gonna walk past or through the accurate fast, hard jabs and big right hands of a Lewis or K brother, at the rate and speed with which they throw them, is bordering on lunacy.

 

OK, firstly Louis and Marciano should not be mentioned in the same sentence here for three reasons:

• Louis wasn’t actually that small. He never touched a bar bell in his life and he was still coming in at 207lbs for some of his fights. At 6’ 1’’ with a 76’’ reach he might actually have been a medium sized heavyweight today.
• Louis had the single best style for overcoming size disparities, while Marciano arguably had one of the worst.
• Louis had a track record of destroying world class fighters as big as modern superheavyweights. Yes they were not the greatest ever, but its not like they were loosing to him in competitive fights either. He was just destroying them. If you pick Rocky Marciano over somebody like VK, you have to make a number of assumptions about how he would have coped with the style and size disparity, while with Louis you already have the answer.

Louis was the greatest heavyweight finisher of all time, and the best heavyweight under 6’ 2’’ at overcoming size disparities that there has ever been. That is why a lot of people are prepared to favour him in this hypothetical fight.

 

It depends on your definition of world class.

Again you seem to want an elite Heavy from earlier era's but you don't want to accept that the elite from the last 20 have been Lewis and the K bros.

Just to clear matters up. Please name me a guy over 6' 4", more than 240 lbs that Joe Louis beat that was " world class " by any other standard than that era?

Exactly which Super Heavy by modern standards that Joe fought do you think would be a long reigning WBC, or WBA, or IBF champion today?

You see I have trouble accepting that the guys of a similar size that Louis fought were any, if at all, better than the likes of Frank Bruno.