Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

Lewis and the Klitschkos were not the elites of their era, they are the greats of their era. The tier of contenders beneath them were the elites, and yes the people Louis was beating were comparable to some of these guys.

Now it is true enough that Louis did not fight a super heavy as good as the Klitschko’s, but you can flip that around and ask what smaller heavyweights they fought that were comparable to Louis. The answer is none because there has never been one. Louis is more of a standout for his size than they are.

In the absence of a perfect analogue on either fighters record, you look at the nearest approximation you can find, and from that you try to work out how the stylistic dynamic would have played out.

I feel very justified in saying that Louis matched up well against super heavyweights stylistically.

 

I'll stick to the Oxford English Dictionary definition of Elite thanks all the same.

Noun.

A select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.

 

Louis destroyed Primo Carnera who was very similar to Vitali.

However, Vitali has proven (albeit only against bums) that he has pretty decent defense, so I think he goes the distance and loses on points.

 

That is the most idiotic post I have ever had the misfortune to read. Other than both men were / are over 6' 6" tall, they are as similar as Sir Francis Chichester, and fvcking Popeye.

 

I agree.

Vitally is a lot more like Jess Willard stylisticaly.

 

In boxing the world elite, is generally taken to refer to anybody who is unequivocally world class.

For example the top 10 would be regarded as being elite, perhaps with the odd exception.

 

Im in Louis's corner, but to use Carnera in any way only hurts our argument.

 

So who would you use in Wlads corner?

Haye or an ancient Mormeck perhaps?

At least Carnera had (fixed fights aside) beaten his way through much of the top 10.

He would not have used his first title defence on Audley Harrison.

 

Just look at them?

Why don’t you just post comparative footage of them, and point out the critical technical differences?

Lets say Jess Willard against Vitally Klitschko, and Primo Carnera against Wladamir Klitschko?

If it is so obvious, then it should be pretty easy to articulate in words!

Explaining the differences, would carry more weight than blustering and saying that they are obvious!

 

I look forward to it.

I put up this challenge sometime ago, and I am still waiting.

Perhaps you will be the person to finally answer it!

 

In any world Elite is what is says. Boxing is irrelevant.

Secondly you have been repeatedly given examples of the inferiority of Carnera, and Willard compared to Vlad, Vitali, and Lennox. You have simply chosen to ignore them and put on your nostalgic hat.

So for the benefit of your possible learning difficulties. Once again, the 2 you mention are inferior in hand, and foot speed, athleticism, technique, ring generalship, oh, just about anything, and everything you can think of really as far as boxing is concerned.

The ONLY similarity between those carthorses and the 3 modern ELITE fighters is height, and weight.

Perhaps you might like to take the advice of a Joe Louis supporter ( the snowman ) who is astute enough to realise that mentioning Carnera in any way does your cause no good.

 

As has been proven emphatically in my groundbreaking "Holmes v Burns" thread, there is not equivalence among elite status thru the eras.

 

Anybody who says Louis wouldn't be good enough to sparr Chris Arroela is not a boxing fan.

 

I don't think the point is to knock either Klitschko brother … they are both extremely smart, huge, well conditioned champions who would have over whelming stylistic advantages over most of the rest of the history of the divisions fighters, many of who may have been pound for pound better but would simply fall short head to head .. the issue to me is the dismissal by some here of Joe Louis and his era which was in most ways the peak in boxing history. The Joe Louis of 38 - 42 was an exceptional fighting machine for any era, period and matches up very well against either brother. If you took Evander Holyfield and doubled his power you'd begin to get a gage .. if he was on the same PED's that those guys are forget it .. and it's not just weight for the poster that keeps making that reference it increases strength, stamina and speed as well as the ability o recover from injury ..