well its obvious that the klitschko fanboys miserably failed to bring up any legitimate reason why vitali could beat a prime louis. so this thread needs to die, look at the polls and the arguments, klitschko fanboys lose this one by a long shot. janitor put em all to shame, i dont what these guys were thinking that VK could beat a prime louis in the first place:-(
Here's another prinary source listing Louis's reach as 76": http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...KkLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=KVUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2685,5972894 That's The Evening Independent from sept 29 1941.
It's obvious there is a antiquity circle jerk going on here which is absolutely impenetrable to fistic logic. Fine, I understand this and find it unintentionally comical. But seriously, anyone who can compare Baer or Simon to Klitschko should go follow cricket or badminton. Furthermore, anyone who does not recognize the legitimacy of questioning the outcome of this match-up between two of the greatest KO artists to ever hold a heavyweight belt shows willful intellectual dishonesty or the highest level of delusion.
I agree with you that anyone behaving like Vitali has no chance and the question shouldn't be asked is over-stating. What do you make of the weight of the poll?
Wow. I cannot get over just how small Louis really was. My biceps was 2 and a half inches bigger than his when I was still lifting weights several months ago. And he doesn't even come close to me in chest size.
He continue to grow, seemingly, and was listed as 14 and then 15 laterlly. Bowe was also listed at 15 for his first title reign. But like you say, doesn't really matter.
I suspect that if we saw Louis in the flesh we might be surprized by how big he was. If you look at him with Ali and then compare the Ali of today to Lennox Lewis he dosn't look like a small heavyweight. When modern fighters meet fighters from that era in the flesh they are often shocked to learn that they weighed in under 200 lbs. Fighters from that era basicaly went into the ring totaly stripped down to the chasis.
I personally think the sports science was a bit off, and not definitely corrected until the Liston era. 20 plus round fights were a thing of the past, but fighters were maybe still being prepared for them...maybe this is a part of the culture that would produce Marciano, a perfectly conditioned fighter that would have been a dismal failure without that perfect conditioning.
Some of the old trainer's like Blackburn seem to be prety insightful and I would venture to say ahead of their time. There were some dubious ideas around such as heavyweights dehydrating themselves to improve stamina. Curtis Shepard who worked as a sparring partner for Joe Louis suggested that he might have come into the ring at 230 lbs if he had fought in the 90s.
im sorry, but this statement is beyond bizarre. VK is not what I or any other boxing fan would consider a KO "artist", when exactly was the last time VK knocked someone out cold?? this is where the lunacy of klit fans comes into the play. if this is simply due to the "highest KO percentage" of any HW champ then i seriously question your knowledge of boxing. besides vitalis first 26 complete tomatoe cans, what fight shows concussive knockout power?? what fight can you show me right now to make me think VK is a bigger puncher than a prime tyson, foreman, liston, tua, etc??
I wouldn't disagree that there were many very excellent trainers; that isn't really my point. My point is that a certain physical culture exsisted for preparing fighters - with a certain amount of work expected. Fighters need more pure stamina to do 20 rounds than 15 - obviously - and it would be a very odd trainer who would say, "well, you can do less than I did/the fighters I have been training did, you can have a day off". It would be a while before a training pattern for 15 became pronounced. One consequence would be fighters tending to come in a bit lighter than neccessary to spare their stamina - stripped to the chasis as you put it. On the other hand, Louis retained late power like few others, so perhaps his physical stylings were perfect.