Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

Here, watch this mate.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhcwSsDxYIg[/ame]

 

Blableblu just 9 more now...

 

You're cracking me up here...

Oh the irony, irony, irony of it....

 

So Louis was slow, there to be hit, chinny, with a crooked manager, aided by a bought ref...thank God film of the man exists.

 

Your point is well taken.

I might have ran my mouth off a bit there.

Would you conceed my general point that a long range fighter must also target his oponent from long range and that makes an unexpected knockout less likley for both parties.

 

Jaintor,

Buddy Bear's record is full of journeyman. And Baer lost to journeyman too. To compare his skills to Vitali Klitschko is a fantastic stretch.

Buddy Bear beat Galento when Galento quit. Perhaps Bear fought three top ten guys before facing Louis, and the only reason guys like Glaento were in the top ten was the era was severely lacking in talent due to world war II, the color line, and most of the existing fighters aside from Louis leaving a lot to be desired.

 

Yes, yes and yes, He could also punch extremely well had fast hands, excellent combinations, had excellent stamina, and a good fighting heart.

I not saying Louis is an an average level champion here. I am stating he had many flaws which were exploited on film by boxers no where near as good as Vital is. Do you at least agree with the last paragraph?

 

When there is no come back on film from direct statements such as this, the only objective thing to do is admit it it.

 

Baer was not a great boxer true ,but when you write big, stiff, and had a punch ,you could be describing Vitali,Baer was not stiff,he came forward with his chin tucked into his shoulder,and was mobile for a big man ,I see no way Gomez a mediocre heavyweight at best beats him.
You make a big thing about Louis falling out of the ring as though he was in imminent danger of losing ,the clip provided by McGrain blows your position out of the water, Louis didn't even appear particularly concerned ,he climbed bak in promptly and immediately met Baer's attack with a left hook.The ring in those days had only three ropes ,without the retaining strap through the middle ,consequently the ropes were a lot looser,and accidents like that were commmoner.

 

Are you being sarcastic here?

 

There are many things Vitali did better than Bear. Among them are accuracy on offense, punch out put, chin, countering, moving to keep the best possible distance, head movement, and every area of defense.

Would you admit this?

The Buddy Baer comment I made was without seeing the film. Ok-- So I did not remember Louis glove grabbing the ropes and he fell through them.

The bigger picture here is how easily Buddy Bear, who was not terribly skilled landed. So did Galento, ad Braddock, and in Braddock case he was coming off a 2+ year layoff with no warm up fights.

Any way you slice it, it medium level boxer like Galento and Buddy Bear floor you as a champion, your defense is not very good. Lets face it, on the topic of defense, Louis is no Jack Johnson!

Now if its a given on film that Louis was in fact floored by medium level boxers, and stunned by light hitters, what do you Vitali does to him when he lands?