Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

I think that encapsules Sanders abilities rather well,knocked sparko ,by a journeyman ,having his 16th fight.

 

I see,

so a single fight represents the overall career abilities of a fighter? :huh

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE59D0BR20091014

 

Isn't that what Sanders career is based on ? His blow out of Wlad? What other note worthy achievements has he accomplished? My opinion was in reply to the quote from "Mendoza "and of course he has that win over Wlad".
I don't judge a fighter on one win or loss ,but if others do [a win] ,it would seem reasonable to do the same when it is a defeat.No?

 

I didn't realize that you were responding in condescending fashion to Mendoza.

To clearify my take on Sanders, I base his career abilities on neither his win over Wlad, nor a single loss against a journeyman. I think his true abilties fall somewhere inbetween.

 

I wasn't intentionally being condescending to Mendoza ,or anyone else.
Mendoza beleives Sanders is a better fighter than I do ,thats about the size of it.
My take on Sanders is that he is a fast handed guy with fair mobility,a hard left hook,poor durability, shaky defence,lacks dedication ,focus and commitment to training ,and is an "on top fighter",who looks good when he is in the driving seat but often folds when he is not.
A win over him does not elevate Vitali to any super status imo.Tubbs blow out of Sanders was certainly more impressive than Vitali's stoppage of the golfer imo.

 

Yes, Wlad is better than Schmeling, and Walcott.

You should see the Sanders vs. Cooper fight, and other Sanders performances. Cooper is exactly the type of guy who can derail a top flight prospect. He was Ko'd with one of the best combinations you'll ever see. Nothing was wrong with Cooper's chin, and in a short fight he didn't gas out. I think its a case of me seeing something you have not.

Sanders cleaned out the cruisers weight who moved up ( compare boxers ) to the many of the guys Louis fought in impressive fashion. And Sanders didn't have Jack Blackburn as a trainer. he had a 2nd rate trainer and a 3rd rate promoter. Louis needed Blackburn more than many realize, because he didn't think or adapt well in fights.

Regarding a fighters best win, you can't take that out of the equation. Otherwise guys like Frazier or Holyfield suffer.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/world/science...at-they-used-to-be-20090805-ea31.html?page=-1

I was going to bring this up myself a while back, but then forgot. It's been posted in the lounge already a couple of months back, by carrots4U.

*Edit* I see Brit has already answered your question. My apologies.

 

I watched Sanders from the amateurs and to be honest, although I do think he was talented, he never struck me as being special in any way.
He may have been the most talented of the heavyweights from this country to date, but he lost his motivation and desire long before facing Wlad.

 

I have seen some Sanders fights ,just not that one, over a very overweight Cooper who had been stopped multiple times at that stage of his career.

Cooper didnt derail any top flight prospects though did he?
The best win he could manage was over Orlin Norris who was ahead on the scorecards before twisting his knee and retiring.

Whenever Cooper stepped up in class he was beaten ,and more times than not inside the distance,he is chiefly famous for momentarily staggering Holyfield,in a fight that he lost.

His chin was less than stellar as his record confirms.
However impressive you think Sanders looked in stopping the often stopped Cooper ,the fact remains he was 40oddlbs over weight ,so the result means zilch.
I dont take the best win out of the equation ,but it is his ONLY " best "win,compared to quite a few , " worst ,losses,if you follow me.

 

Ok, I follow you. I agree best wins and worse losses need to be balanced out. I hate to go off tangent here, but I have been saying losing to via TKO to Klondike ( a Tubbs level Journeyman ), Griffin, Choynski, Hart, and draws with smaller guys should balance out Jack Johnson's best wins, who as we know were over a .500 fighter, a teenager, and a 156 pound man. Agreed?

I'm not saying Sanders was as accomplished as Johnson, my point is on the balancing things out part of the equation.

 

To be fair to Cooper, he did a lot more than momentarily stun Holyfield...Holy was reeling around the ring like a drunk.

Not that it matters here though; Cooper took the Sanders fight for a payday and nothing more.

 

He was seriously buzzed no doubt about it, but who won the fight?
That's Cooper's main claim to fame, staggering Holyfield in a fight that he lost .A win over a prime Cooper by Sanders wouldn't mean much to me if I am honest.
Cooper lost to 43 year old Mike Weaver.
Mercer
Williams
And was kod by 14 fight Nate Williams.
By the time he fought Sanders the only thing he brought into the ring was a badly dented reputation, oh ,and 45lbs of excess blubber.