Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

Amen. The trouble here is stone cold Louis fans are trying to build Carnera into something he never was on film. Perhaps as a suggestion as to how Louis would easily exploit Vitali.

I also have not seen a meaningfull retort as to Louis being open to be hit...and he was hit by every quality boxer he faced.

 

Exactly where would you identify Louis as being open to be hit on film?

My first observation would be that his defence was so varied that you could never possibly generalise.

 

I concur with what you say.. Let me clarify that I don't berate Joe Louis for having Primo Carnera on his win list, but this whole claim about Carnera being anything like Klitschko has passed the point of being ridiculous......in fact, It's downright bull****.......

As much as people would scream in protest, the truth is men like Bert Cooper and Tommy Morrison had plenty of similarities to Joe Frazier, and in fact, Frazier even trained Cooper for a fashion.... But this does not mean that Ray Mercer would have beaten Joe Frazier just because he beat Cooper and Morrison...

 

You need to post more often.

That is all...

 

Or did they? They landed with other punches but from what I saw Louis picked off most of their jabs. That's one thing Louis did extremely well.

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The Carnera-Vitali comparisons have gone a bit too overboard. As far as I know the argument was originally about whether Carnera had more similarities with Vitali than Conn, Farr, Schmeling, not that he was the exact replica of a 1930's Vitali Klitschko.

 

1) That's what bothers you most, right? :hi:

2) Vitali beat contenders, not journeymen.

3) Vitali is one of the modern superheavies who perfectly knows how to use height, power, footwork, and combos. His ranking as an ATG is debateable, but not important for this matchup.

 

1) no not really, just stating the painfully obvious:good

2) and your point is??

3) vitali, is far from possessing mind-boggling skills let alone being perfect. he's very clumsy, gives up his height ALOT, and this amazing footwork and combos you speak of i haven't seen it, all i see is slew-footed, somewhat stationary plodding and lazy arm punches. his style has many holes in it, its just that this current batch of HW's aren't good enough to exploit them. well, except lewis, sanders and byrd.

 

I would say Vitali's jab is also a lot slower than most of those you mentioned ,whether he lands it often on Louis is open to debate,imo.

 

We have just provided you a detailed analysis with suporting film footage suggesting that he dosn't really do andything that Primo Carnera didn't do back in the 30s.

Would you like to atempt to provide your own counter analysis or is your position so obvious that no evidence is required?

 

i must be dumb but after watching vitali and carnera ,vitali's jab against louis would do no better than carnera's and vitali is less nible on his feet than carbera

 

I doubt Byrd's defense aggravated the injury as Vitali committed to precious few left hands during the course of the fight, save for a few short hooks to the body that he became more and more hesitant to throw as we can assume the injury grew more painful.

I thought Vitali was excellent in the first two rounds, putting Byrd in some hairy situations, slipping his counters, and scoring with some accurate rights. He became less effective as the fight progressed but he was still controlling the fight and making adjustements to Byrd's surprise aggression mid way through the fight. Its an interesting performance I think, especially for an injured fighter against a slick southpaw.

That said, I think Vitali had much better performances against Hide and Donald.