Joe Louis vs. Vitali Klitschko

Mendoza, watch the Carnera and Baer films. Louis did not have slow feet. He chose to change his style much like Holmes did post Shavers 1 when he no longer danced the same.

Where did his slow feet go in the Schmeling rematch ?

About Braddocks power, you are simply incorrect. Period.

Galento and B. Baer were not journeymen any more than many of the title challengers the K boys have fought. Both were huge, one punch KO artists who came into their bouts with Louis determined to fight the battles of their life. Both got destroyed.

Walcott fought with all he had and lost because he ran from the champion and you do not win titloes that way, period. He didn't KO louis despite his own great skills because he could not KO Louis, period. To attempt to do so would expose him to Louis' own exceptional power and we see what happened in the rematch.

You've been here a long time and I'm surprised to see such revisionist history from you.

 

It's well documented that the Schmeling fight showed some deficiencies (one particular defensive wart) in Louis that were very addressed thereafter.

No doubt at all Louis improved post Schmeling.

 

Right JT ... people also forget Louis was 22 years old and a young pro when he fought Schmeling who was a cagey veteran ..

 

My point is that those listed would NEVER be allowed to fight for a hw championship today, while a Danny Williams could fit it in as a dangerous underdog in the 30-40's HW division.

 

Others would say one got the power of the youth, and the other was over the hill. :yep

 

There has been a lot of comment on this thread saying that Louis could not handle Vitalis long range jab.

I just perused compubox and it says that Vitali landed the jab on a less than 20 percent ratio. He seemed to throw a good amound of jabs but less than 20% landed. I think that it may have been 16%. And Areola was not a defensive genius.

So, based on these figures, how is he possibly going to beat Louis with the Jab if he lands less than 16%. And it is probably lucky i used this thread, to comment on this than the Jack johnson thread, because if he only lands this much against Areola, i am not convinced that he would even land at all against Jack Johnson!

 

has anyones thoughts changed one way or the other on this match up after the johnson fight

 

I can see it now...

Jim Lampley, "Louis gets the KO, but Vitali wins the event!"

Err... nevermind.

 

Interesting fight.

Primo Carnera was similar in size to Klitschko but nowhere near the fighter. Anyway, Louis destroyed Carnera in 6 rounds. Carnera was only stopped 5 times in 103 pro bouts... 3 of those KO losses coming in his last 9 fights. This has little to do with a Louis vs. Klitschko fight... it just shows that Louis was able to KO a big durable fighter like Carnera.

Louis was 6'2' with a 76" reach. For a big man like Klitschko, Louis would probably weigh-in between 205-210Lbs like he did vs. Buddy Baer (WDQ7 and KO1) and Abe Simon (KO6) (both were 250Lbers).

In his fights vs. Carnera, Baer x2, and Simon Louis scored 11 knockdowns and was down once. Just throwing that info out there.

Vitali is just shy of 6'8" with an 80" reach and almost 250Lbs.

Both fighters have good jabs. Louis' jab was faster and more accurate. Both men have hard jabs but Klitscho's is a bit harder.

Louis is the faster and more accurate fighter.

Both men have good power. Klitschko is stronger but their punching power is on the same level IMO.

Klitschko has the better chin... but Louis almost always got up to KO his opponent after being dropped (only Schmeling and Marcinao stopped him, he destroyed Schmeling in the rematch and was 137 years old vs. Marciano).

It's a tough call but I'm going with Louis. I think his speed and accuracy would be the difference.

 

To be honest I just wish this thread would go away for ever.

Either you think that Joe Louis was an over-rated cruiserweight who beat up on breadliners and would be out of his depth against the superheavyweight monsters of today, or you think that Vitally Klitschko is a paper tiger who built his much tounted KO% by knocking out non entities who is lucky that Primo Carnera wasn't around in his era.

I think that everybody whose mind can theoreticaly be changed has had it changed.

 

Really ?

 

Carnera was a sitting duck, and Baer was a stationary fighter vs. Louis. Sorry, in these two matches Louis did not have to cut off the ring. Baer in particular didn't land one jab. In fact he hardly landed at all. It was Louis best filmed performance. If Max Bear was Louis best effort, then one can not say he was not fully developed when he meet Schmeling.

When Louis fought guys who can move and box, he did not look good, and sometimes lost. Louis had shuffling slow and predictable feet. He was not much for laterally mobility in the ring. In his own days the writers of the times refereed to him as shuffling Joe.

I must disagree on Galento. he would not be a top ten guys today. Max Bear might have if he was motivated, but as soon as he got a big pay day, his playboy ways would lead to ring rust.

Louis hurt Schmeling early in the re-match. There wasn't much boxing in that match.

 

omfg way to go hegrant.

 

ahh, like a case of recurring anal herpes, here we go again...

 

Louis-Canera.
Vitali is really a flawed fighter, and i doubt he has a big enough punch to hurt Louis bad. Even if he does, Louis will get back up, and proceed to destroy Vitali with his fast and powerful combinations.
Louis TKO 8 Klitschko