Joe Louis Vs. Wladimir Klitschko

hes actually quite funny. I vote we keep him for the amusement value.

 

How did he do against those fighters?

 

Read the article son.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/louis_fl.html

 

Except Mormeck and Byrd were career CW and LHWs, respectively. Of course, you're going to reply that they count as "real" HWs because they fought at the HW limit, and then talk about how Louis's opponents were skill-less bums and would be CWs in today's era. You'll also talk about how great Wlad and his opponents are and that they would be champions in past eras. You'll probably also use insults like "nutbag" or "nostalgist" in your reply. You're so predictable it's sad. And the worst part is, they aren't even your own opinions. You're just parroting what you read on HWBlog.

 

You just proved my point.

Give us video evidence of Wlad being faster than Louis.

 

Let me help you with another link than. why am I the only one supplying links though? How come you're making all these claims and have NO links to back them up?

Lets see where Louis' speed and defense rank...

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/boxchart1.html


http://coxscorner.tripod.com/heavyweightchart.html

3. HAND SPEED
Hand Speed is gauged by the speed with which a fighter lands from point A to point B. It is the ability to beat the opponent to the punch.
Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Floyd Patterson, and Mike Tyson are tops in this category.
The crude slugger types received the same score of 6 here, so I hope the formula is consistent.



5. DEFENSE
A fighter’s defensive ability is defined as boxing skills used to avoid punches. Classic defense is the ability to slip punches with the movement of the head or bending at the waist, parry with the open glove (or closed glove), block jabs with the rear hand, block punches at the elbow, and properly hold ones hand so as not to be open for counters. Another part of defense is “defensive tactics”, such as clinching, smothering, and the use of the crouch or the bob and weave to change ones target level, and turning sideways to offer less of a target (as Joe Louis did among others).
The only fighter worthy of a ten is Jack Johnson who was one of the best defensive fighters of all time, a master at glove and elbow blocking, parrying, feinting, smothering, as well as the clinch.
Tunney was a fine defensive fighter, close to the level of Johnson. He rates a 9.
Tyson, in his prime, had excellent head movement and quickness, making his opponent's miss and countering effectively. Tony Tucker and Bonecrusher Smith only landed one significant punch in each of their fights with Tyson. He rates an 9 in defensive ability in his prime.
Louis was a solid classic defender, blocking, parrying and slipping an opponent's jab, although he was not in the class of Johnson. Louis held his hands up, kept his chin down and his elbows in, he has the best classic defense of any puncher among the heavyweights, he rates an 8.
Frazier and Dempsey both have the highest slip and duck rates amongst heavyweights. There constant bob and weave could make them difficult targets to hit cleanly. This is especially so against fancy boxing styles.
Ali never learned the rudiments of classical boxing, did not know how to duck, or parry punches but leaned away (normally a suicidal tactic). He used his footwork, jab and sense of distance for defense, of which footwork has its own category. Ali rates a 7. Lennox Lewis likewise rates a 7 not difficult to hit at times he improved defensively as he matured.
Rating a 7 is Holyfield. Holyfield could also maneuver effectively when he had to. Unfortunately, he had a tendency to abandon defense and slug it out.
Also rating a 7 are men who were effective fighting out of a crouch, such as Jeffries and Marciano.
Fighters such as big men like Riddick Bowe and George Foreman (the older George would rate one/two categories higher) all of whom were not too difficult to hit. Taking into account the effectiveness of their offense, as part of their defense, none of the champions I consider would rate below a 6.
Of course you will dismiss the research of an actual historian because it doesn't suit your agenda. Infortunately for you I can fin article after article of historian backing this up. You have nothing to show but your petty agenda deiven opinions and those of a few lap dogs who follow along for racial and nationalistic reasons.

 

Shufford was slows as pig slop and never beat a contender.

 

:good

I'd leave Tyson out of it though.

His comp was laughable.

Soon as he fought somebody that wasn't scared he got KTFO.

 

Bigger does not mean better little fella.
This is boxing not football.

Joe Louis fought huge heavies as well....they had better stanima and durability that today's fragile robots.:deal

Ali and Joe would not need to slap on empty calories to whip these slow-moving sloths of today.

 

Visual evidence proves that Vlad is slower than a turd and stinks up the room just as bad.

He lost to fighters that couldn't beat Joe's spit bucket.

Anybody that thinks Joe was slow is either dumb or has an doomed agenda:yep

 

He's fast alright.

Fast to grab and hold.

 

You ain't read **** muthafcuka.

 

Lmao!!! You're so predictable!! The omly articles you could link me to are those crappy Hvyweight blog articles which are complete and biased BS. Link me to some credible historians or trainers saying Louis was slow and had no defense and I won't post here again.

 

(yawn)

 

He just got a factual smack down from a renowned boxing historian and all he has left are lies and propaganda. :yep