Joe Louis was serious.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by HENDO, Aug 11, 2010.



  1. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Obviously you're a masochist then because you're here quite a bit. :D
     
  2. Swarmer

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    Stop thinking about boxing as a time record to beat, like ****ing track and field. Start thinking about it as a martial art(which it is). Compare the bullshido of today's dojos in kung fu compared to the arts practiced in China hundreds of years ago. Boxing is in a similar state. Less gyms. Less fighters. Less competent trainers. Less bouts, with less rounds. Less sparring. Less fights overall. How can today's fighters be better when they fight so infrequently? People always use track and field as a counterexample as to why boxing and boxers are better today but that is a blatantly terrible example. If you don't practice your craft, and practice it frequently, against a large talent pool, how can you truly excel at it?

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  3. TheGreat

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    Lennox lewis BARELY beat a 38 yr old Holyfield to become champ, there is no way in hell, Wlad or especailly the very limited Vitali would not get a boxing lesson. Holyfield's superior skill, foot-speed and conditioning would allow him at 6'3 with a 78 'nch length himself, to control range. Things like speed, stamina and skill can and often do offset size.

    The only reason you've given for the robotic bros beating Holyfield is their height, you really don't know **** at all. :yep
     
  4. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's very simple: the pitchers are better. That's it! The guys from DiMaggio's days threw in the high 80s, now they all throw in the mid to high 90s. And the explantion for this is even simpler: the major league invested in pitching. They got pitchin coaches and learned how to properly train and rest pitchers so that they could throw faster on game day.
     
  5. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The General Forum, that is.
     
  6. Pug1list

    Pug1list Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hardly, Suzuki broke the single season hits record in 04, Barry Bonds broke OBP, Slugging, HR records quite recently.
     
  7. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

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  8. di tullio

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    Some people just don't get it, Swarmer, they believe that evolution means things became better rather than adapted to new situations.
     
  9. Swarmer

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    Lemme tell you what has improved though:

    1)PEDS-this **** makes training and winning 1000 times easier. Also, those crazy EPO making high altitude machines.

    2)Weight control-much easier to regulate weights and fight comfortably with so many classes and dieting methods.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: stop.

    Jack Dempsey was clearly more than a streetfighter, if you actually knew anything about boxing you'd be able to figure that out for yourself. He's the first truly sophisticated swarmer, his bob and weave, head movement, and windmill style with a fast step in bred a whole new generation and style of fighters. He is like marciano's grandfather. very important fighter. Carnera was a joke, a freak accident that made the way to a title via organized crime and shady promotion. Shavers had murderous power, and that won him a lot of fights. I don't think of earnie as a particularly skilled fighter so your half baked point is moot anyway.

    It doesn't matter that old timers fought more because they made less. The point is that it made them better fighters you mong. More bouts. Less available belts in terms of weightclasses and orgs. More rounds. More fighters. More gyms. More fighting. It's really quite simple, one day you might understand if you actually start reading more boxing and watching older fights(although I doubt you have the discerning skills to pay attention).

    please, develop an argument besides "everything has evolved" and then get back at me.

    It's just ignorance and a result of being poorly informed. they don't understand how an art form can stagnate and become a shadow of what it once was. improvement is not a guarantee with time.
     
  10. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's called steroids. As you well know, because you appear to know more about MLB than I do, pitchers don't benefit from roids.
     
  11. Pug1list

    Pug1list Boxing Addict Full Member

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    PED's have played a huge part in all sports, probably the single most reason for increased performance over the years.
     
  12. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  13. Pug1list

    Pug1list Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sure they'll benefit from the increased strength, recovery, endurance. Steroids are the single biggest factor behind the advancement of athletes today.
     
  14. Swarmer

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    What if we gave armstrong or louis andro, EPO, or HGH? how ridiculous would they be? :think
     
  15. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

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