Joe Louis was serious.

What astonishing ignorance you've shown.

 

Its not just running though is it. Any sport that can be measured and recorded, unsurprisingly the records get broken. Wether it be running, weights, swimming, javline, jumps etc. But of course, boxing is exempt from this.

I know what I see and I can see on screen the skill level difference between the 2. Not much.

 

What a stupid statement this is. Know very little about boxing

 

You can't see a difference between Haye and Louis? or Haye and Schmeling?

Both are significantly better fighters with better resumes than Haye.

 

Carnera is garbage, Wlad is nothing like Carnera

 

Forget the resume side of things for a moment, being a greater fighter doesnt = better fighter.

C'mon now, a proper debate without all the nostalgic bs and "dont you dare compare fighter x to ATG fighter". What is it that Louis does so much better?

Is it speed? Nope.
Is it power? Maybe but I dont think its by much.
Strength? hmm who knows, Haye's quite a bit bigger.

Is it that 1-2? Footwork, jab, lefthook? Is it the head movement, athleticsm? Is it their feints, bodypunches, inside fighting?

I want a detailed analysis with video comparisons. Let us breakdown boxing as it is and not get caught up with names and resumes for a minute.

 

What most young posters don't realize is that they're just as jaded as many of the old-timers. They lambast Louis for holding his left hand down, while completely disregarding the fact that Lewis, both Klitschko's, Mayweather, etc. do the same. They base all of their knowledge when comparing eras on completely seperate sports such as track and field by showing the increases in athleticism in their fields. What they don't take into consideration is that boxing is a sport far more reliant on mental strength/adaptability than any of these sports. Hell, it's more comparable to other intellect driven professions such as authoring, poetry, music, etc. than it is to something like track and field.

When you take into account the vastly declining interest and participation in the sport, with so fewer gyms, with most of the better athletic minds/talents driven to compete in other sports, with the top trainers slowly dying out, it gives you a larger perspective on why boxing is dying out. Both as a spectator sport and in terms of the class of its participants.

If it has evolved so, why is it that the best trainers of even the modern day remain the likes of Ray Arcel and Eddie Futch, guys who grounded their techniques from the 20's to the 40's? Guys who've laid out some of the best gameplans and trained some of the best fighters to have ever lived, including those from recent times. Futch up to his death claimed Charley Burley the best he'd ever seen, and said he'd rather watch Holman Williams shadow box than watch any modern fighter in the ring.

The only people that believe boxing to have evolved in any way are those that either haven't any technical knowledge themselves, or simply haven't done the research/watched the footage with open minds.

David Haye is not a skilled fighter, he's merely an athlete. Watch him go for the kill upon hurting an opponent, and compare it to Louis. The different in technique, economy and poise is overwhelmingly in Louis's favor. Some don't see it because, quite simply, they don't want to. Ignorance is bliss.

 

You're an intelligent 'fella, El. :good

 

Okay. I can't believe we're actually debating this but i'll do it for Louis.

Louis has the edge over Haye in basically every single category as a fighter. He has quicker handspeed, better one punch KO power(although haye can bang no question), better short punches and overall infighting, superior defense with good head slips countering and a very impregnable, conservative stance.. He also has better conditioning than Haye(who goes all out for 5 and gasses, imagine him in a 15 rounder, he'd collapse from exhaustion). Both have so-so chin's but Louis hides his behind a good guard and only Schmeling was ever able to find his big hole in a fight that he hadn't trained properly for in the first place. If Max Schmeling countered a fighter with Louis' handspeed with his cross what do you think he would have done to swinging Haye? He would eat him alive.

No need for video proof of Louis' greatness, just watch this sweet ass highlight from an ESB member.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKA8f0Oya3k[/ame]


Edit: Why did i even post? Thanks El Bujia. You're the man.

 

Likewise, kind sir.:thumbsup

 

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Just look who he was trained by....

http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/blackburn.htm

Who are today's fighters trained by compared?
The towel boy.

 

atsch