Joe Louis would beat Muhammad Ali… possibly quite badly

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My point is FOTC wasn't all one way traffic,far from it..Ali had a swelling on his jaw from left hooks ,and Frazier 's face looked like it had been stuffed in a hornet's nest.

 

He has to get him in that condition first.
You could equally say, if a 169lbs,moderate hitter,like Conn could wobble Joe, 212lbs Ali could drop and finish him.

Or If slow punching, crude Galento ,and Baer could floor Louis with his hook ,Ali,would have no trouble landing his.And if you think Ali doesn't have the power to emulate those two,take a look at the 15th round of Ali's fight with Bonavena,now tell me Oscar didn't have a better chin than Louis.

 

I think a prime Ali will not be on the ropes for any appreciable time,.just as Pastor,Ramage,Conn ,Walcott,weren't.
As I have explained to you Ali went to the ropes against Frazier because,having just 18rounds of boxing in the previous 4 years ,he did not trust his legs or stamina enough to employ his usual style of hit and run tactics.A prime Ali would never be in those corners taking those shots ,from Frazier, and certainly not from a methodical stalking Louis.

 

Go watch Louis-Conn 1 and Louis-Walcott 1 and get back to me

Louis's footwork is getting nowhere near Ali.

 

Frazier must have thrown 1000+ punches that night to get into that position to knock Ali down. Louis NEVER did anything like this. The comparison makes no sense because of this. Louis times punches, he doesn't use constant pressure like Frazier.

Ali also did far better against punchers like Louis/Foreman/Liston than he did against pressure fighters like Frazier and Norton.

 

Conn and Walcott are the best examples of footwork Louis faced and he was in knotts. Ali had the best heavyweight footwork of all time.

Saying Louis had much in common with Ken Norton is either Cope or lack of knowledge. Norton is a constant pressure fighter throwing 1000+ punches. Louis was never a pressure fighter. Louis had most in common with Liston IMO but he was obviously much faster

 

Liston doesn't have brains or skill? I'm done Doris

 

I'd like to inform you Baer was a crude slugger,the exact opposite of a prime Ali,he had neither his boxings skills ,reflexes,agility ,or mobility.
Baer was embarrassed and humiliated by punchless light heavyweight Tommy Loughran, and out boxed by moderate Jim Braddock.
Louis had effective footwork ,his feet were planted to generate power show us examples of him, up on his toes his way in behind a jab,you can't.
Against the most agile heavyweight ever,with the fastest feet he would look pedestrian

Frazier fired his hook, and had the capacity to reload and fire it immediately, again and again.
Louis never did that ,he was economical with his punches,seeking to land meaningful shots at all time.He worked his way in behind his jab, and only exploded with his combos when he was pretty sure they would land
You got no respite from Frazier,but you had breathing spaces with Louis.
Journeyman doesn't know WTF he is talking about!

 

Im still waiting for your astute breakdown of this match up,the breakdown you promised us was forthcoming.
I'm also waiting for you to point out the Wive's tales in my earlier post.
Can we expect your response to this any time this week?