Joe Louis's quality of era

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  1. El Radar

    El Radar Member Full Member

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    I have recently watched a few of his fights and was wondering what was the quality of his era (from being a contender in the mid to late 1930's, from being a champ to 1950's and his fights after that). How does these era's compare with say the 1970's and 1990's? Was there a great depth of talent or was it relatively weak would you say?
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  2. janitor

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    I would say that it depends how you look at it.

    In terms of the absolute elite level talent it was ma comparativley weak era outside of Louis himself. You didn't get top level contenders like Joe Frazier or Evander Hollyfield coming up through the ranks to challenge the champion.

    That dosn't tell the whole story though.

    If you look at the next teir of fighters you have a verry deep talent pool. Fighters like Jimmy Ellis or Jerry Quarry or Oscar Bonavena almost seem to have been ten a penny at some points in that era.

    Iwould suggest that if you compared the ring magazine top 10 of a given year in that period to a given year in the 70s then the 70s rankings would be stronger from 1-5 while the late 30s early 40s rankings would be stronger from 5-10.

    It was probably harder for an up and coming contender to break into the bottom half of the top 10 in this era than it was in the 70s or 90s. This was in part due to the level of competition around this band and in part due to the fact that fighters fough more regularly so you typicaly had to beat more top level fighters to get ranked.

    So not a great era like the 1970s but a veritable meatgrinder none the less.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    The 1930's was a low point for heavyweight boxing. Early on there was a game of musical chairs as the champion always lost in his first title defense. One time the title changed hands via a low blow foul. There were years with no title matches, and the competition, particular in the 2nd half of the 1930's was rather poor. Louis cleaned up.

    The 1930's could not compare in talent to the 1970's or 1990's.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    The 70's and 90's are the two best era's in HW boxing by general conscensus. Very few era's compare to these two.

    Max Baer, Max Schmeling, James Braddock, Joe Walcott, Jack Sharkey, Tommy Farr and Billy Conn were all most excellent fighters who competed at this weight around this time. Good fighters all.
     
  5. janitor

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    You make an issue of the number of times the title changed hands in the 30s, but it changed hands a fair few times in the 90s and that decade saw some of the weakest lineal champions along side some of the strongest.

    Somtimes factors other than the talent pool can screw up an era.

    By the same token a single dominant champion is not necisarily a sign of a strong era. If you make a great fighters competition weaker he is only going to get more dominant.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Sometimes the talent pool is the specific reason for the title changing hands. Check out the WW title just before the Griffith reign:

    1954 Kid Gavlian lost to Johnny Saxton
    1955 Tony DeMarco dethrones Saxton
    1955 Carmen Basillo from Tony Demarco
    1956 Saxton from Basillo
    1957 Basillo from Saxton
    1958 Akins takes the title in a tournie after Basillo departs for MW
    1958 Don Jordan from Akins
    1960 Parrett beats Jordan
    1961 Griffith comes to the title

    A transient title with multiple genuine all time p4p greats and other excellent fighters, but no stability for the title.
     
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  7. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lou Nova, Bob Pastor and Al Ettore weren't bad. Possibly underrated I'd say.

    Even someone like Charley Retzlaff was quite a knockout artist but he was blown out by Louis in one round.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCXpLOfzb1Y

    I imagine Lou Nova could have been a champ under different circumstances. Looks like a solid boxer to me.
     
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  8. janitor

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    Wile none of these guys are great boxers like Joe Frazier they could potentialy have made havoc in the elimination tournament won by Jimmy Ellis after Muhamad Ali was stripped of his title.

    With the right matching some of them could have won it.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    This is a very good answer.
     
  10. Manassa

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    Akins :good
     
  11. McGrain

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    Fixed!
     
  12. Manassa

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    Just thank your lucky stars you didn't say Samuel Peters or I'd have gone all Tony Montana.
     
  13. junior-soprano

    junior-soprano Active Member Full Member

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    the 70ties had maybe a better top (ali, frazier, foreman and maybe norton and at the end of the decade ofcourse holmes) but fighters like Bonavena and Ellis and Quarry and Lyle are nothing better then Max Baer, Max Schmeling, James Braddock, Joe Walcott, Jack Sharkey, Tommy Farr and Billy Conn.
    i even think that a prime and focused max baer (like i said earlier in a post) beats the likes of quarry and ellis and bonavena and also norton
     
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  14. SuzieQ49

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    1930s era in terms of quantity were pretty strong. 1940s both in quality and quantity were VERY strong.
     
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  15. MrMarvel

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    This is it in a nutshell.