Joe murray will be hoping to make his pro debut on the undercard of john murrays brit title defence at the manchester gmex on 13th december. he's turning his back on the amatuer game after feeling he has been robbed in the 1st round of two consecutive tournaments (Chinese fighter Yu Gu in Beijing and Irish fighter David Joyce in Liverpool). joe is in negotiations with 3 promoters (including one US based). so, how do you think he'll do?
i think that was the original plan, but he's just pissed off with amateur boxing right now. he throws a lot of body shots which just don't score.
I don't think any ambitious fighter should stay amateur full stop. In fact, I hope they take boxing out of the Olympics, because the farce of Beijing was shocking, and shouldn't be allowed to be repeated.
no instead of boxing world class amateurs form accross the globe learning their trade they should get a nice quick 20-0 record then maybe fight for a brit tile if they're lucky
Why would the Brit title be the limit of their ambition? You can do your learning in the pros. Most young boxers dream of having a world title around their waste and the money that comes with it. Why fence in the amateurs only to get ripped off for **** money? If I was a talented am I'd be going pro ASAP.
Too many go pro too early, fight nothing fights against **** opposition, learn nothing and eventually get beat. "fencing" or not the technical aspect of fighting top quality russians, cubans etc... would teach you a great deal, especially up until the age of 22 or something. How much did Khan learn in his first 18 fights? Everyone was saying he's learning nothing, probably because in the ring he was fighting guys who were folding. In the mateurs he wouldnt be doing that. he only scraped past Craig Watson before dipping out the ABA's incase he got beat ffs, lost to Kindelan in the Olympic final - Kindelan was a better fighter than anyone he fought in his first 18, prescott included. Thsoe are the learning fights, not beating up the Peter Buckleys of the world 3 or 4 times. Im not saying dont go pro, im just saying the experience in the big world level tournys are vital imo. Also, 99.9% of pros dont make enough money to box full time, and a helluva lot of boxers get ripped off in the pro ranks too.
Khan is an awful example. His chin is bonafide china, and it even showed up whilst he was fencing. There are no conclusions to be drawn from that, if Khan had of turned pro 5 years later he'd still get KO'd brutally. You can learn in the pros. That is up to the matchmaker to make the correct fights. A good few young fighters in the UK have been making excellent progression recently. Appleby and Truscott stepped up quickly to title level after fighting a steady diet of bums to ease into it, and both will now get the competition they need having got the title. There is no rule that says you have to fight 20 bums. A kid with Murray's pedigree will get the money he needs and more than for fencing. There is no doubt aboout it.
Regardless of amateur experience, I reckon the best way is as follows......... Five bums Slot on an undercard abroad Internatioal eight round fight Area title + couple of defences Slot on an undercard abroad English title + couple of defences International ten round fight British title around 15/18th fight + three defences European title + two defences Then look for a world title If you aren't good enough, you will be found out at one of those stages - at least you could say you tried, rather than staying amateur to get ripped off by clueless judging.
Disagree aside from the matchmaking aspect being the main component in bringing along a good pro. Unfortuanatly, unless your very stupid, a matchmaker wont want to risk his young pro's in anything tighter than a 70-30 fight stacked in favour of his fighter. Most arent even 70-30 nowdays, if they foguht 100 times the young pro would win 99 in some cases. Look at how, for example, Gamboa is doing. bags of amateur experience and he's ripping through the pros. David Haye is another with bags of amateur experience and he ripped through the pro ranks.
Here is a tv interview with joe taken from Manchester evening news website giving a few reasons why he turning over. http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1336747012/bctid1913340448
