Here is one of Rogan doing BJJ with someone who challenged him on MySpace [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a556pUcVgO0&feature=fvw[/ame]
Eddie Bravo and the rubber guard - Joe Rogan features [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvAmJbP8RQc[/ame]
Nice work by Joe but the guy he was up against didn't have a clue. With regards to the rubber gaurd. When a guy wins the ADCC or Mundials with it I will get impressed, rather than its number one progenitors only major victory being tapping Royler, via an orthodox triangle and then getting tooled by Veira.
He did use the rubber guard for a sustained period against Royler though. I'd say it shifted the momentum and then he put the triangle on him.
The rubber gaurd (from what I remeber) just shut Royler down and stopped his gaurd passing attempts Bravo didn't really threaten with any submissions from it I don't think. Then he opened his gaurd up and threw up the Triangle. If it is as great an evoution as some say then the results should be better than they have been.
You are right, it shut him down more than anything. I think this is what allowed a momentum change because until then I felt Bravo was very defensive on his back. Bravo tried one submission from rubber guard and that is the gogoplata. What do you expect from the rubber guard??? For me it is a good guard where you can make sub attempts from.
Bravo has stated that the practitioner must be flexible enough for it to be effective. Bravo has made statements along the lines that a head kick in thai boxing isn't an ineffective technique as a rule, just because someone isn't flexible enough to do it. The high kick is ineffective for the person that has yet to gain the flexibility required for it to work. The same can be said for his rubber guard. Bravo has also developed transitions that must be used for the rubber guard to be effective. You can't just say, "Ok, this is mission control. Now I have it down." Not that you just said that, or anything.
Indeed, the same can be said for BJJ in general, although more so for the rubber guard. It should be a major part of the 10th planet training program. It may be I don't know. Indeed, I just have not seen great results. @ achilles I have not seen the fight in a while. With regards to the rubber gaurd, my response is only to the video. Its a good gaurd, particularly as you can shut people down with it. The higher up in compition levels that you go in BJJ/Sub grappling the more basic technique's you see, I just can't see the evidence for it being the basis of a system.
Rogan is a legit grappler. Vini from TUF is a world champ who is a big believer in rubber guard; Aoki is obviously a huge rubber guard guy, and has had huge success with it in MMA. It is a nice tool to have, really it's just a small part of the 10th planet system; a lot of pro MMA guys seek him out, he must be doing something right. I've never seen anybody other than Marcelo Garcia use the x-guard like him or anybody but Telles use the turtle guard half as well. Pro grappling really does come down to basics though, but any extra piece you can master will give you an extra edge.
I think the rubber guard is better suited specifically for MMA though because it does so well preventing the guy on top from using effective ground and pound.
Ive never used the Rubber guard to much I dont doubt its effectiveness for some people. All I can get out of it is good posture control but I dont feel like I have many options as far as sweeps or submissions go because im basically one handed for the most part. As far guards besides the usual half and full guard I really like X-guard some of the sweeps from there can be very explosive, I also love using Spider guard although I think its less effective without a gi because its harder to control the biceps. The De Riva guard is excellent to IMO.
I like Eddie I think hes taking JJ to the next level, just look at Aiokis success at MMA for proof. But not everyone is as flexible as Shinya, a BJ or Eddie and he himself says that being extremely limber is a prerequisite. I'd prefer the Telles Turtle guard. Its a bit better just because its great for transitioning and escaping. Not many have used this in MMA, Shogun is the closest one I have seen use this to a certain extent.
Nevermind........atsch Would not want be labeled a "hayta" by a bunch of stoners. One in particular who recycled an antiquated Potempkin villiage technique into a cash cow.
196osh - here is Eddie Bravo showing some attacks from rubber guard. I thought you might like it. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8d4U011yLU&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div[/ame]