Joe Rogan posted this on a message board back in 2003..

Has Scruy forgot the difference between the NCAA (real) and OVW (not real)? And I am speechless that even he is stupid enough to dismiss the NCAA when six of the UFC heavyweight champions either won or were runners up in that tournament. Depending on how you count that's half of all champions in the division's more than decade long history.

Yes Lesnar got fast tracked but that really was understandable given the weird situation that existed when Couture came back in 2008. But having got the title he was put up against real opponents - the man that defeated him (Mir), a bigger wrestler with knockout power (Carwin) and a more well rounded, technically gifted wrestler (Velasquez). And in his comeback fight he's being matched up against the division's best striker (JDS). If Lesnar got fast tracked and then milked the title that'd be one thing...but after winning he's been matched up against the best.

And White's been admirably frank for him about why we're only getting GSP-Silva now. Firstly he thought that Silva was going to move up in weight and secondly GSP is only pushing to move up to middleweight now. Adding the muscle that GSP feels he needs to be competitive takes time.

 

Did Bob Sapp ever beat 2 HW champs and become a HW champ and deffend it for 2 fights?
No i dont think so therefore your argument is invalid

 

So I imagined Brock taking Mir down repeatedly? Taking Herring down and controlling him for three rounds? Tying an Olympic wrestling alternate up against the cage? Taking Velasquez down twice (even though he was unable to hold him down). To say that Lesnar's skills did not translate is ****ing ludicrious. You keep talking about his pro-wrestling but that completely ignores the fact that he wrestled full-time in the WWE for just two years - he spent two years training to be a fighter before his MMA debut!

And actually Scruy Velasquez's record is comparable to Lesnar's when you factor in that he was in what was seen as a significantly stronger era for heavyweight college wrestling.

 

You really are a hater, aren't you? No-one in this thread has called Brock great. We just give him credit for his achievements, which - despite what you want to believe - include good wins over quality opponents.

If he is such a bum as you make out, why was undefeated Shane Carwin, who won 12 fights in the first round, unable to stop him? Why is it that Carwin could beat all these other guys who had good MMA experience, but not Brock?

Anything to say about Brock's matchmaking, by the way? Did he get all the easy fights, or is he fighting champions and top contenders since his second professional fight?

:hat

 

Scurs life for years has been trolling on here hating on anything that is UFC. He's on a mission from God.

 

hes like those soldiers you hear about that got stranded on an island somewhere in ww2 and think the war is still going.
hes come too far to make any concessions. it would completely destroy his sense of self. so hes just defiantly holding out till the bitter end

 

the fact that brock won the title and beat "quality opponents" is more a reflection of his opponents than Brock Lesnar himself. What happened to Brock in the Velasquez fight should have happened in Lesnars fight previous against Carwin (or perhaps before that).

A professional fighter who immediately folds when he gets hit has no business being the champion of the ufc or any org that takes themselves seriously.

Ps Lesnars wrestling was never proven as good as was advertised.

 

The same Couture that Lesnar beat in his 4th professional fight?

And by the way, Lesnar has already had a successful career in MMA, and he does have excellent combat credentials at an amateur level.

:hat

 

wow your quick!, you would almost think you live on here.

 

And what were Shamrock's amateur wrestling credentials?

Brock Lesnar took down somebody who had yet to leave his feet in the UFC with his first takedown. That tells me everything I need to know about his wrestling.

Brock went to WWF developmental straight after college...but he was on the full roster for just two years. He then did the football thing but as of the summer of 2006 he was training to become a fighter.

 

I don't have a problem with Rogan when he's commentating.

I don't have a problem with Goldberg either. It's pointless to hate on them, and sad.

Rogan knows the game and Brock deserves credit for his achievements.