Joe turns down Pavlik Joe will fight Jones!!!!

im disappointed in a way, im just watching calzaghe hopkins again now - now im not so nervous and shitting myself (early knockdown didnt help, and the fact that i scored highly for calzaghe whereas the setanta commentators made it seem like he was losing most of the fight =/), and i feel calzaghe has a lot more than i originally thought, i think he could beat pavlik now, and im not sure jones will do too much for him.

but, on the flip side, he's 36/37 still undefeated, worked his arse off for nearly 20 years in the ring, unified and undisputed a division, moved up and became the ring champion at that division, maybe, he does have somewhat of a right to ensure his pension and retirement - but, i really would think pavlik would do a hell of a lot on his resume as well, and i think getting him now while he still has the speed and the drive, before age truly erodes it, would be far smarter.

if you watch closely in the hopkins fight, the speed is still there, but due to hopkins style, he couldnt throw them in the bunches he normally does - which is where his speed is so apparent. and his jab wasnt used in the way it was against kessler - which again showed how fast calzaghe is/was.

 

Lately? Calzaghe has always been a world class ***** IMO. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

Some fans a re deluded if they think JC has to take the Pavlik fight to prove him self. Pavlik has beat only one world champion and has not even cleaned up the middle weight division yet. JC is wayyyy past his prime and shot right now IMO so he should just end his career with an exhibition fight against a legend in RJJ.

 

So what was your take on Maywetaher "ducking" Cotto then? Did Mayweather need a Cotto win to cement his legacy?

 

Pavlik is the undisputed middleweight champion, if that's not enough then I don't know what is. Joe Calzaghe is not WAAY past his best, that's bull****, if anyone is WAAAAAY past his best and shot to pieces then it's the 40 year old RJJ he has signed to fight.

 

:deal fact.

 

Thats different Mayweather is 30 and his prime and has never dominated a weight divsion. Cotto is his one and only rival right now. It would be the same as JC retiring before the Kessler fight.

If Mayweather beat Cotto and retired I would stick up for Floyed after that!

 

If the ecconomics for a Jones fight are better than for a Pavlik fight, who the **** are we to ask for Calzaghe to lose money on perhaps his last fight?

How many of you chaps demanded Hopkins and Jones fight Calzaghe back in 2001..............................not many I would guess.

 

I have followed JC for his whole career and trust me he is over the hill and noticed this in the Bika fight. JC prime years were when he fought Reid, Brewer and Byron Mitchell

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's in his prime but he's not WAY past it as you claim either. He still has some left in him and wasting it on a shot to death RJJ fight that will give him no credit whatsoever is silly in my opinion. WAY past it = RJJ today.

 

RJJ is washed up no doubt but Pavlik would not gain much by beating JC right now when his clearly on the slide. Pavlik has a great rival in King Arthur and should dominate the middleweights first.

 

Arthur is hooked up with Miranda next and it was Calzaghe's team that hinted they wanted a fight with Calzaghe so Pavlik said he's open for it and I believe the offer was 10million UK pounds as various sites confirmed. Then Calzaghe says this fight means nothing to him but a fight with RJJ means more, that's ridiculous. Trust me it would mean a lot for Pavlik IF(which he won't) he beats Calzaghe now because Calzaghe is not as shot as you claim he is, he's not prime as I said but still has a lot left in him and is hardly shot. A win for Pavlik over Calzaghe would be WAAAAY bigger than a win over Jones for Calzaghe because Jones truly defines "WAY past it", unlike Calzaghe.

 

how bout what calzaghe wants? we may well want the pavlik calzaghe fight but why should he take every fight we ask for, theres always gonna be someone a certain fighter didn't take on, a fight against rjj is very interesting for joe and may have been a fight he wanted most of his career.

 

No. Go back even farther to when everyone was screaming for Floyd to fight Margarito. Same crap then. "Who the hell has Margo beaten?":yep

Thats a cheap excuse these so-called Champions use today to TRY & cover they asses from anyone that posses a threat to their '0' in the loss column. These guys are not like the throw-back fighters of yesteryear. I don't know what they are...

 

I can accept that Calzaghe thinks that he could beat Pavlik. I can accept that CAlzaghe thinks the RJJ will be a bigger draw than Pavlik. But the line of bull that I simply can't take is that Calzaghe wants us to believe that he doesn't want to fight Pavlik because he doesn't want to mess up Pavlik's unbeaten record.

I have to wonder though. What if RJJ says no? ( I suspect 50-50 chance ). RJJ values his legacy almost as highly as Calzaghe values his. Who will Calzaghe fight? Is it that he'd rather fight RJJ or that he really doesn't want to fight Pavlik? Personally it would crack my **** up if RJJ answered CAlzaghe's challenge by saying....
"I just don't think Calzaghe is ready for me. I'd definitely beat him. But I don't want to spoil his unbeaten record by fighting him."

If that fight happens. Abraham may decide after fighting Miranda ( win or lose ) that fighting the guy who beat the tar out of Miranda isn't in the best interests of his health. Outside of him though who's left? Sturm? ( won't even fight Abraham ). Winky? ( can't seem to find a fight that'll pay him enough ) Duddy? ( sending a guy with no defense against Pavlik? ) Lorenzo? ( record isn't any better than Lockett's ) Andy Lee? ( now that the hype balloon has deflated he'll have to work his way up the hard way ) Rubio? ( have we fallen to this? ) Griffin? Pavlik has one maybe two viable opponents at middleweight. The rest are all not willing to fight him for a reasonable price, fight only in Europe, or Lockett level fighters. Middleweight is a really shallow division.

Pavlik would gain a great deal by facing Calzaghe this fall. Beating Calzaghe would launch him into the supermiddleweight division as a champion. If he lost he would still have the MW division and a fight with Abraham to fall back on. It's next year once Calzaghe loses his SMW belts for not fighting at SMW that the value of this fight decreases for Pavlik.