Joe v 90s Roy, does Joe win a single round ??

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  1. Claypole

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    True, but that also makes him an unknown quantity. Joe may have struggled against Hopkins, but let's not forget Joe himself has clearly seen better days, and now seems to only be fighting for the paydays.

    I'm not saying Joe beats RJJ prime for prime, but to ask if Joe wins a single round is overrating Jones a bit, even taking into consideration what a legend he is.
     
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  2. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hey maybe your right, saying Joe doesnt win a round is stretching it, even i think he wins 2 against a prime Roy .. Its just the fact that if Joe beats this version of Roy, hes going to say he beat Jones Jr and Hopkins without any historical perspective ..... Henry Cooper still makes a living out of the fact that he knocked down Ali, nobody ever mentions the fact that Ali annihilated him in the next round, so if Henry can do that for 40 years we are gonna be hearing about Joe for the next 40 years ........ Historical perspective on Joe Calzaghes career is all i ask
     
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  3. Claypole

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    And this is where Joe may fall short. Beating RJJ won't mean a thing, when we all know they could have fought a meaningful fight years ago.
    Even losing a good fight against a peak RJJ would have earned Joe eternal respect. It certainly didn't do Clinton Woods any harm.
     
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  4. steelem

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    rjj is getting ko ed - this is gonna lead with the upset yanks wanting a pavlik calzaghe$$$$
     
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  5. Diablo

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    Both fighters are past thier best come fight night.

    Calzaghe 36
    Jones 39

    Calzaghe is the fresher and will not get much respect for winning in the history books. Much the same as with Lewis when he beat a shot Tyson.
     
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  6. Claypole

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    That was his civic duty, though. It didn't really matter that Tyson was shot, as long as Lewis pummeled him.
    However, RJJ is well liked and respected, all Joe will get out of beating him is a good pay day.
     
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  7. TFFP

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    Some guys are ****ing insane regarding prime Roy Jones

    Yes he was an athletic phenom, yes he is amazing h2h, but had the tendency to carry guys and get complacent. Joe Calzaghe would probably be his most challenging opponent, and one that always has the chance to pick up rounds on work-rate.
     
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  8. Axl_Nose

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    The point is he was never complacent against guys who he thought were a threat, like Hopkins, Toney, Griffin (rematch) and Ruiz. He wouldnt be complacent against Joe, we all know what Joe's work rate is but your insane if you think a late 90s Roy is gonna be as stupid as Lacey and Kessler, just stand there like a bag and offer no movement .... Joe's work-rate against Hopkins was ineffective to say the least, Hopkins just couldnt pick him off with counters, a prime Roy would have done that all day long ....... The way you judge Calzaghe is what you've seen against Kessler and Lacey and i ask you, who the hell are they compared to a late 90s Roy ??
     
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  9. TFFP

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    And who the is Montell Griffin compared to a prime Calzaghe?

    Hell, Eric Lucas took a round.

    The question underrates Calzaghe in the extreme. He poses the toughest offensive questions of any Jones opponent. Hopkins hardly put it on the line did he? He took 4 rounds. He has more speed than anyone Jones faced. He throws way more punches. These alone tell you he is likely to gain a round or two somewhere.
     
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  10. JonOli

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    Stating the obvious - it depends how their styles match up. If it's a bad match for Joe he could conceivably lose a lot of rounds.
     
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  11. Axl_Nose

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    To be fair on you, i did title the thread, 'Can Joe win a single round' but in my very first post i did say he would win 2 tops, i think thats fair. I genuinely believe that a focused, 90s Roy Jones could win 10 rounds of 12 against Joe Calzaghe, and i dont really think its controversial apart from nationalistic, pro british/welsh fans .... And to be fair to Montell Griffin, he did beat James Toney at Light Heavy and gave a prime Jones trouble, that for me is far more than anything Joe has acheived .... Hopkins was 43, a dominant champ like Joe is 'supposed' to deal with a 43 year old in a more convincing fashion than he did, as i say, i thought the wily old Hopkins made Joe look amatuer and the only reason Joe won is that the Vegas judges gave him points for running forward, your not telling me Joe landed any important punches are you ?? If you are you need to watch that fight again, Calzaghe didnt land anything clean and he got decked by Hop in the first round, that display doesnt inspire me to think he could deal with a prime Roy Jones Jr ..... And before you say he was past his best, lets recall that Joe went 12 with Robin Reid in 99 (i had Reid winning), he went 12 with a really 2nd rate fighter in David Starie in 2000, and against such bums like Kabary Salem, Evans Ashira and Sakio Bika, he also went 12 rounds ......... So who exactly are you trying to convince, that Joe Calzaghe can actually beat a 90s Roy Jones Jr ?? .....
     
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  12. D-MAC

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    Prime Roy against Prime Joe isn't really a contest; don't think Roy would KO Joe, but he should win a comfortable decision (not every round though - Joe could grab 2 or 3 rounds on his workrate).
     
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  13. Beeston Brawler

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    People are forgetting that the younger Calzaghe could bang big time.

    Prior to Eubank, the only man to take him the distance was Bobby Joe Edwards - who was a CRUISERWEIGHT.
     
    Beeston Brawler, Sep 25, 2008
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  14. D-MAC

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    Yes, but Prime Jones is virtually unhittable.
     
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  15. BIG WORM

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    jones fought a prime hopkins who was probably a stronger more aggressive fighter than joe calzaghe?
     
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